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Why Won't Our Politicians, Media Or Even Some On Here Now Admit That Mass Migration Is Responsible For Putting Pressure On Our Housing, Nhs And Schools?
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SP: “Solely blaming immigration is incorrect…”
NJ: “Yes there are other factors at play that mean more houses are required.”
“Big cities are not representative of the whole country,..”
Quite true. But by far and away the greater proportion of the population lives in big cities.
“NJ....the Tories didn't allow Councils to use the money raised from selling off Council Houses,…”
Of course they did not. (Nor, incidentally and as far as I can recall, did the administration in power from 1997-2010, but let’s not make it a party issue). The idea was that they relieved the burden from the taxpayer of providing heavily subsidised housing.
“That could be because of course they do not see an issue with immigrants attending school the same way you do!”
There is a particular problem with immigrant children who cannot speak English attending UK schools. As I have mentioned many times, I have seen at first hand school classes (in inner London) where up to seven “teaching assistants” have to be employed in a class simply for interpretation purposes. This places an enormous burden on the schools’ budgets.
NJ: “Yes there are other factors at play that mean more houses are required.”
“Big cities are not representative of the whole country,..”
Quite true. But by far and away the greater proportion of the population lives in big cities.
“NJ....the Tories didn't allow Councils to use the money raised from selling off Council Houses,…”
Of course they did not. (Nor, incidentally and as far as I can recall, did the administration in power from 1997-2010, but let’s not make it a party issue). The idea was that they relieved the burden from the taxpayer of providing heavily subsidised housing.
“That could be because of course they do not see an issue with immigrants attending school the same way you do!”
There is a particular problem with immigrant children who cannot speak English attending UK schools. As I have mentioned many times, I have seen at first hand school classes (in inner London) where up to seven “teaching assistants” have to be employed in a class simply for interpretation purposes. This places an enormous burden on the schools’ budgets.
youngmafbog
Net migration has been on the increase steadily since the 1950s. There was a jump between 2001 and 2011, but we should take into account the large numbers of EU citizens currently working in the UK, but only on a temporary basis.
Research conducted by the Equality and Human Rights Commission suggests that, between May 2004 and September 2009, 1.5 million workers migrated from the new EU member states to the UK, but that many have returned home, with the result that the number of nationals of the new member states in the UK increased by some 700,000 over the same period. Migration from Poland in particular has become temporary and circular in nature.
But leaving that aside - the % of people living in the UK who were born abroad has gone up from approx 3.8% to 12.1%. That's an annual increase of 1.3% per annum.
This isn't a sharp increase. The increase has been over a very long period. Certainly longer than the other factors I've mentioned, such as the decrease in the number of people sharing houses (because they are studying at university, or have moved into single occupancy accommodation.
Those two factors didn't appear until the 1980s. Those alone will put a massive strain on the available stock.
Net migration has been on the increase steadily since the 1950s. There was a jump between 2001 and 2011, but we should take into account the large numbers of EU citizens currently working in the UK, but only on a temporary basis.
Research conducted by the Equality and Human Rights Commission suggests that, between May 2004 and September 2009, 1.5 million workers migrated from the new EU member states to the UK, but that many have returned home, with the result that the number of nationals of the new member states in the UK increased by some 700,000 over the same period. Migration from Poland in particular has become temporary and circular in nature.
But leaving that aside - the % of people living in the UK who were born abroad has gone up from approx 3.8% to 12.1%. That's an annual increase of 1.3% per annum.
This isn't a sharp increase. The increase has been over a very long period. Certainly longer than the other factors I've mentioned, such as the decrease in the number of people sharing houses (because they are studying at university, or have moved into single occupancy accommodation.
Those two factors didn't appear until the 1980s. Those alone will put a massive strain on the available stock.
Islay
/// That could be because of course they do not see an issue with immigrants attending school the same way you do! ///
Well I don't suppose they would, were not your family immigrants themselves once?
I also think that the judge has answered you on this one, much more eloquently than I could have hoped to do..
/// That could be because of course they do not see an issue with immigrants attending school the same way you do! ///
Well I don't suppose they would, were not your family immigrants themselves once?
I also think that the judge has answered you on this one, much more eloquently than I could have hoped to do..
//Well I don't suppose they would, were not your family immigrants themselves once?//
You keep bleating on about my family being immigrants - and that just keeps showing what a nasty person you are.
I was not born in the UK and did not come to the UK until I was 4 but that does not make my family immigrants!
As you have been told several times before!
You keep bleating on about my family being immigrants - and that just keeps showing what a nasty person you are.
I was not born in the UK and did not come to the UK until I was 4 but that does not make my family immigrants!
As you have been told several times before!
I just don't get all this necessity for interpreters. They will never learn to speak English with all this pandering. When I was twelve and my family emigrated to Spain, I was sent to a Spanish school and was fluent within 6 months. They will find it hard to intergrate if treated with such deference and must hold English speakers back. Although we don't have many immigrants here, and those that are are mostly South American, I have seen Chinese, Russian, English, Polish etc. children in my grandchild's school, there are no interpreters and they are all fluent in Spanish and well intergrated.
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Massively off topic but I wonder if Islay's family are the same family members who were all in the military and yet every single one of them thought Sargeant Blackman was a murderer?
I dismissed that as a lie, so since then haven't been able to believe anything.
As far as the housing is concerned, regardless of the spin that has been spun, it stands to reason that immigration has had a significant effect - you'd have to be a drooling looney not to accept that.
Still, on the bright side, I live in a sought after area and coupled with the housing issue my house has appreciated to an absurd level and is now worth a bloody fortune. Happy days.
I dismissed that as a lie, so since then haven't been able to believe anything.
As far as the housing is concerned, regardless of the spin that has been spun, it stands to reason that immigration has had a significant effect - you'd have to be a drooling looney not to accept that.
Still, on the bright side, I live in a sought after area and coupled with the housing issue my house has appreciated to an absurd level and is now worth a bloody fortune. Happy days.
Deskdiary
Arguably, you could say that the impact of immigration on the housing market has been both positive and negative, depending on the area you live and the age that you are.
But to put the housing crisis down to immigration alone is overly simplistic.
Over the past five years we have only built half the houses needed, despite government plans dating back to 2011 to get developers building. The Government's plan was to build 100,000 homes by selling off unused publicly owned land to private companies. The land was sold off by various government departments but the vast majority of homes have not been built.
The biggest contributor to this plan was the Ministry of Defence. The MoD claim to have sold off enough land for an estimated 39,000 homes as part of the Government’s overall 100,000 target.
Incidentally, back in 2011, Channel Four broadcast a documentary called The Great British Property Scandal. It revealed that there are over one million empty properties in the UK. There are places in Liverpool for instances, where there are street after street of empty houses. They are not even derelict, it's just that there are no government incentives to private building companies to renovate them and sell them on.
It's easy to lay all the blame for the housing crisis on immigration, but studies have shown that in terms of pure economics, immigration is good for the country.
As recent research from University College London shows, European migrants are not a drain on Britain’s finances; what is more, they actually pay in more in taxes than they take out in state benefits. That contribution – valued at £2bn a year – is helping to fuel Britain’s economic growth.
Perhaps that extra £2billion could be put to incentive schemes for construction companies to renovate and sell on a proportion of the housing stock currently sitting empty.
Arguably, you could say that the impact of immigration on the housing market has been both positive and negative, depending on the area you live and the age that you are.
But to put the housing crisis down to immigration alone is overly simplistic.
Over the past five years we have only built half the houses needed, despite government plans dating back to 2011 to get developers building. The Government's plan was to build 100,000 homes by selling off unused publicly owned land to private companies. The land was sold off by various government departments but the vast majority of homes have not been built.
The biggest contributor to this plan was the Ministry of Defence. The MoD claim to have sold off enough land for an estimated 39,000 homes as part of the Government’s overall 100,000 target.
Incidentally, back in 2011, Channel Four broadcast a documentary called The Great British Property Scandal. It revealed that there are over one million empty properties in the UK. There are places in Liverpool for instances, where there are street after street of empty houses. They are not even derelict, it's just that there are no government incentives to private building companies to renovate them and sell them on.
It's easy to lay all the blame for the housing crisis on immigration, but studies have shown that in terms of pure economics, immigration is good for the country.
As recent research from University College London shows, European migrants are not a drain on Britain’s finances; what is more, they actually pay in more in taxes than they take out in state benefits. That contribution – valued at £2bn a year – is helping to fuel Britain’s economic growth.
Perhaps that extra £2billion could be put to incentive schemes for construction companies to renovate and sell on a proportion of the housing stock currently sitting empty.
I do, but that's the beauty of having an appreciating asset.
Just so long as there's not an almighty crash, which there won't be, when it comes to my two young(ish) kids buying property, my wife and I will sell, release the equity, provide money to the kids, and by that time we'll be ready to downsize anyway.
Kids get on the ladder, and my wife and I trouser the rest.
As Del Boy would say, bonnet de douche.
Just so long as there's not an almighty crash, which there won't be, when it comes to my two young(ish) kids buying property, my wife and I will sell, release the equity, provide money to the kids, and by that time we'll be ready to downsize anyway.
Kids get on the ladder, and my wife and I trouser the rest.
As Del Boy would say, bonnet de douche.
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