Heseltine 'should Be Sanctioned' For Brexit Comments

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42493735

The Tories are still very windy about BREXIT I see !

[Gromit]

Heseltine is disloyal for supporting Labour.
But Ben Harris-Quinney is a hypocrite, as he urged the public to vote UKIP in the election. The Bow Group used to be the sensible wing of the Tory Party, but they have be infiltrated of late by far right UKIP supporters.

[mikey4444]

Gromit....Heseltine isn't really supporting Labour....he is just being consistent in his opposition to BREXIT.

Does the Tory Party really think that having the whip withdrawn is going to make him change his mind ?

[Gromit]

Heseltine is also wrong. Corbyn will not halt brexit, he supports it. Though Labour Party policy is very muddled and unclear.

[mikey4444]

I predicted, years ago, that Europe would be the downfall of the Tory Party, as it always has done in the past, and that prediction is coming true again.

[youngmafbog]

So what do you think of this then Mickey?

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-denies-claims-labours-brexit-stance-is-confusing-as-he-rules-out-second-eu-referendum-11186966

The EU is decisive to both parties. Or have you not realized that yet?

[youngmafbog]

//that Europe would be the downfall of the Tory Party, as it always has done in the past, and that prediction is coming true again.//

But it is not is it? Hesseltine is a 'has been'. Yes there are remainers and leavers in the Tory Party just as there is in Labour. The 'main' Party that is fully for the EU is the Liberal Party - and look where they are.

BTW, there is no division over Europe in any Party it is the EU where the problem lies.

[mikey4444]

YMB.......But Europe isn't ripping apart the Labour Party, as it is trying to do with The Tory Party. As Gromit says, Labour is committed to leaving the EU.

But, if Heseltine is yesterdays man, and I agree he is, why is such a threat to the Tories ?

What are they afraid of ?

[youngmafbog]

I dont believe he is a threat to the Tories. Hesseltine has history and I suspect some are using this to out him once and for all.

//Labour is committed to leaving the EU. //

Really? You could have fooled me. In name maybe but practice no. They are equally divided.

[Kromovaracun]

I would be careful of dismissing Heseltine. Between about the end of 1990 and 2016, it just so happens that just about every single piece of "advice" he gave the Tory party was followed to the letter. Most of the people on the Tory party's governing institutions are people who are very good friends of his, or people who owe him favours. It's not a coincidence that his most loyal proteges - Cameron and Osborne - ended up leading the Conservative party and appointing Heseltine an "advisor" whose advice was followed 100% of the time. I think he was pulling the party's strings until very recently. As such he is still capable of doing a lot of damage (I strongly suspect it is him, for example, who keeps making phone calls on behalf of Jacob Rees-Mogg in order to split the Brexiteer vote come a leadership election).

[mikey4444]

Kromo....I think you may be right !

I think that the Labour Party is in the most mortal danger, when Heseltine starts supporting !

[Peter Pedant]

remember Enoch Powell anyone ?
(please please let there be a young or foregetful ABer who quips the side splitting one crushing liner " Powell - who he den?")

he advised tories to vote someone else than Heath in the election Heath lost ( 1973 I think) -and was NOT forgiven

[Professor of Greek at 26

[mikey4444]

Peter........in the scale of things, that was Powell's least sin !

[Sqad]

"[Professor of Greek at 26"

and that is how he came over to Jo Public, an unintelligible academic.

[EDDIE51]

I agree with his comment that Brexit is a long term disaster.
Why leave one the world's most successful & influential trading groups? I agree it has major problems but things can be improved if not totally cured.
Outside the EU we are powerless to influence it, yet we will still have to depend on it for over 50% of our imports and exports.
Before it starts ,
YES , we can develop trade outside the EU.
BUT it will takes many years and the rest of the EU will fight tooth and nail to prevent us grabbing their trading opportunities .
We are an Island nation, that fact alone have would have always meant that we had a special place in the EU with unique advantages, but Brexit has blown that!

[mikey4444]

Morning Sqad !

Powell undoubtedly had a very high intellect. He was very clever, and what most people would define as "brainy"

But he mined into that deep vein of racism and xenophobia that had always existed in Britain, and still does today. After his famous "Rivers of Blood" speech, it was estimated that as many as 82% of people agreed with him.

Heath quite rightly sacked him and he then spent the rest of his political life in the relative backwaters of NI, where his populist style of discrimination was not only tolerated but welcomed.

I think he said something along the lines of "all great political careers end in failure"

[-Talbot-]

We are an Island nation, that fact alone have would have always meant that we had a special place in the EU with unique advantages, but Brexit has blown that!


Please tell me more EDDIE.

[gulliver1]

Eddies 09.46, Spot on.

[Peter Pedant]

and when he (EP) told the army enlistment clerk he was a professor of Greek they sent him to .... Cairo(*) and he ended up a Brigadier and of course learnt Arabic. Oh Heath fired him and he was invted and became MP for North Down)

(*) please please someone hilariously quip: "wot wrong wid dat den, Cairo - he spoke languages innit?"

[Zacs-Master]

Is Cairo not in Greece then?

[Peter Pedant]

// and that is how he came over to Jo Public, an unintelligible academic.//

dontcha remember him at Minister of Health 1962 Sqad ?
He identified a shortage of nurses and junior doctors and started recruitiing them from ..... surely not surely not ..... the commonwealth. So he started it all, no no it is not true......it wasnt like that - not Enoch ....