He Could See It 40 Years Ago..

[Khandro]

.. but some can't even see it now! Would you not agree that this man was a visionary?

[Togo]

Prediction?

"In the end, the Labour party could cease to represent labour. Stranger historic ironies have happened than that."

Enoch Powell

[ichkeria]

What does that mean?
I respect Powell's intelligence, and his gift for oratory, even if he really did have obnoxious racist views. But this idea of him as some sort of almost mystic seer into the future?
Nope.

[youngmafbog]

He's not a mystic seer just someone who can read the way things are going in the short term.

[Togo]

Prediction?

"It is one of history's most mocking ironies that the German customs union, which set out to dominate Europe and conquer Britain in the form of Bismarckian or Hitlerian military force, has at last vanquished the victor by drawing Britain into a Zollverein which comprises Western Europe and aspires to comprise the Mediterranean as well. If the ghosts of the Hohenzollerns come back to haunt this planet, they must find a lot to laugh at."
Enoch Powell

[Togo]

Let Enoch answer itchy.

It depends on how you define the word "racialist." If you mean being conscious of the differences between men and nations, and from that, races, then we are all racialists. However, if you mean a man who despises a human being because he belongs to another race, or a man who believes that one race is inherently superior to another, then the answer is emphatically "No".

Enoch Powell

[ichkeria]

What is that supposed to predict?
That a lot of German ghosts are on their way to rattle their chains?

Powell had a view of Europe shared by many at the time and many today. It just sounds like a prediction to you because you agree with the general sentiment.

[Togo]

Or Perhaps.

"I hope those who shouted "Fascist" and "Nazi" are aware that before they were born I was fighting against Fascism and Nazism."

Enoch Powell

[ichkeria]

I don't really regard "racism" as despising other races. Although it is hard seriously to see how that doesn't come into it. He seemed to believe in racial segregation and in fact even admitted he was a racist I believe. He did not believe that people of different races and cultures could live together in this country. He was wrong then and he has been proved wrong now.

[ichkeria]

One can be a racist and yet fight nazism and fascism, especially in defence of one's country.

[Togo]

"We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependents, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant-descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre."

Enoch Powell

[Togo]

"Independence, the freedom of a self-governing nation, is in my estimation the highest political good, for which any disadvantage, if need be, and any sacrifice are a cheap price."

Enoch Powell

[Togo]

He would have enjoyed the recent poll.

"As so often, the ordinary rank and file of the electorate have seen a truth, an important fact, which has escaped so many more clever people the underlying value of that which is traditional, that which is prescriptive."

Enoch Powell

[Zacs-Master]

No proof of Powell’s prophecies coming true then. Thought not.
I’m rather disturbed by Togo’s vehement support of an out and out racist. Is it living around the West Midlands that leads one to such blind faith?
And as for Khandro’s comment about writing drivel........ah hem.

[tonyav]

Enoch, what a man.
tonyav, West Mids.

[mikey4444]

Togo....guess what ?.....Labour is still representing labour all these years later !

Powell was a highly intelligent and very well educated man, He was perhaps one of the greatest orators of his generation, along with others that people seem to have forgotten about these days, like Michael Foot.

But he wasn't such a good predictor of the future though, was he ?

Togo posted last night that Powell said ""In the end, the Labour party could cease to represent labour. Stranger historic ironies have happened than that."

Well, guess what....the Labour Party is still representing labour today, just as it did 100 years ago.

[Khandro]

mikey; //Well, guess what....the Labour Party is still representing labour today, just as it did 100 years ago.//

Yes, and its still repeating the same old tired mantras which failed the first time they were tried, but what is new is that they have found a new generation who have no knowledge of history and unprecedented methods of disseminating information, a lot of it false and a lot of it downright evil.

[Togo]

I would love to compare the average "Labour" voter of today with the Labour voters of 45 years ago. Most of todays Labour acolytes have never done a days work in their lives. If you showed them a shift in the mines, foundries, or indeed a building site they would have an attack of the vapours. I bet their isn't a bricklayer, plasterer, or sparky out there who votes Labour. Todays Labour voter is the semi professional agitator living in a fantasy world of plenty. Have a look at the people who run the sham. Not one for years have ever seen a working place never mind attended one with any purpose. No amount of the usual hubristic poppycock from Mikey and the rest can hide the demographic change in the Labour voter from working man to slavish disciple on benefits, or immigrant with a separate agenda to the indigenous people, or University educated Marxist, or the "yoof" voting for a promise that was a lie. Meehh Labour my rrrrrrrs.

[Togo]

Of course Enoch wasn't the only man to be ignored and pushed out of the tent.

[Spicerack]

///Well, guess what....the Labour Party is still representing labour today, just as it did 100 years ago.///

Ha-ha. That's a good one, mikey.

[mikey4444]

Togo......."Most of todays Labour acolytes have never done a days work in their lives"

In June of last year, 12,878,460 voted Labour.

Are you seriously suggesting that all those people "have never done a day's work in their lives" ?

Or was that another load of hyperbole ?