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It's A Lot Closer Than Switzerland. So Do You Think It's A Good Idea?
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“So you want people kept alive against their wishes so that we can experiment on them?”
Certainly not!
It wasn’t a request but a question hence the use of the question mark at the end of the sentence thus making it a question.
“When someone is dying don’t doctors still learn from their condition and in many cases administer research anaesthetics and experimental drugs as a last resort to help them to maybe helping others?”
I’ve never been in this situation so am genuinely asking is that what doctors do or try to do?
The big pharma companies aren’t exactly known for their compassion and large hearts so was wondering do they push their experimental research meds on the dying? I wouldn’t put it pass them tbh.
Certainly not!
It wasn’t a request but a question hence the use of the question mark at the end of the sentence thus making it a question.
“When someone is dying don’t doctors still learn from their condition and in many cases administer research anaesthetics and experimental drugs as a last resort to help them to maybe helping others?”
I’ve never been in this situation so am genuinely asking is that what doctors do or try to do?
The big pharma companies aren’t exactly known for their compassion and large hearts so was wondering do they push their experimental research meds on the dying? I wouldn’t put it pass them tbh.
There are those who say that taking your own life is selfish; in many (most?) cases I think they're right because it gives no thought to those left behind, particularly those who find the body. (A relative of mine took her own life a month after her husband died and her tennage granddaughter found her). Sometimes committing suicide is just the reverse; if you know you have no useful life left and you will become a burden to your close ones, having them there with you to see that it is painless avoids the shock of someone finding you.
I agree with bhg's post at 16:04 - very well put.
I've also (from my work in Dementia Care) seen far too many people enduring the pathetic apology for a life that gness describes her mother as now having - and had many of them (at an earlier stage of their illness) plead for a release before it occurs.
We shouldn't have to rely on Switzerland or Guernsey - it should be possible to have a dignified death at home in the UK.
This is not 'euthanasia' (which is the taking of lives by others), let's call it by the correct name of Assisted Suicide and make sure it is surrounded by a tightly drawn wall of legislation to avoid misuse.
I've also (from my work in Dementia Care) seen far too many people enduring the pathetic apology for a life that gness describes her mother as now having - and had many of them (at an earlier stage of their illness) plead for a release before it occurs.
We shouldn't have to rely on Switzerland or Guernsey - it should be possible to have a dignified death at home in the UK.
This is not 'euthanasia' (which is the taking of lives by others), let's call it by the correct name of Assisted Suicide and make sure it is surrounded by a tightly drawn wall of legislation to avoid misuse.
“The question mark makes no difference.”
I think I disagree and think that a question mark makes all the difference as just proved with the misunderstanding I just had with another user here.
“The question mark [ ? ] (also known as interrogation point, query, or eroteme in journalism)[1] is a punctuation mark that indicates an interrogative clause or phrase in many languages. The question mark is not used for indirect questions. The question mark glyph is also often used in place of missing or unknown data. In Unicode, it is encoded at U+003F ? QUESTION MARK (HTML ?).”
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I think I disagree and think that a question mark makes all the difference as just proved with the misunderstanding I just had with another user here.
“The question mark [ ? ] (also known as interrogation point, query, or eroteme in journalism)[1] is a punctuation mark that indicates an interrogative clause or phrase in many languages. The question mark is not used for indirect questions. The question mark glyph is also often used in place of missing or unknown data. In Unicode, it is encoded at U+003F ? QUESTION MARK (HTML ?).”
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In this case it seems obvious (to me at least) that your question mark was not indicating a genuine request for information or clarification - it was merely a rhetorical device inferring that you believed what you said to be true and were asking others to deny it if they dared.
It is the sort of neat bit of chicanery that we see all too often on AB.
It is the sort of neat bit of chicanery that we see all too often on AB.
“It is the sort of neat bit of chicanery that we see all too often on AB.”
Well we all can be paranoid and read into things that aren’t there or we can read the post for it’s face value and move along with the thread instead of thinking posts are an encrypted hieroglyphic puzzles to be “solved”
Any “chicanery” hidden agendas will not be coming from me you can rest assured.
Well we all can be paranoid and read into things that aren’t there or we can read the post for it’s face value and move along with the thread instead of thinking posts are an encrypted hieroglyphic puzzles to be “solved”
Any “chicanery” hidden agendas will not be coming from me you can rest assured.
TTT @ 15.22 But it hasn’t happened. We are not in the correct place because the medical profession, social services, and in extreme cases, judges, get to take a decision about people they’ve spent a few minutes with, and without knowing the ‘real’ person.
Why can’t we make decisions for ourselves, when we are capable of doing so, and in the event of a horrendous, incurable, and often painful condition that we wouldn’t want to suffer indefinitely with, have our lives terminated?
Some people would choose to take this option, some would want to live as long as they can no matter what, and some would not be able to make the choice about which option to take, but
we should have the freedom to make our own decisions.
Why can’t we make decisions for ourselves, when we are capable of doing so, and in the event of a horrendous, incurable, and often painful condition that we wouldn’t want to suffer indefinitely with, have our lives terminated?
Some people would choose to take this option, some would want to live as long as they can no matter what, and some would not be able to make the choice about which option to take, but
we should have the freedom to make our own decisions.
I know from conversations with my mum when she was a church visitor to homes what her feelings were.....she never wanted to live like the folk she visited....
In her early stages after diagnosis, when she could perhaps have chosen Dignitas, my mother was in denial....there was nothing wrong with her....it was everyone else.....this is common, I think...
But as Bhg has said, my brother and I should now be able to give her what we know she wanted....and would choose now if she could have a moment of lucidity....x
In her early stages after diagnosis, when she could perhaps have chosen Dignitas, my mother was in denial....there was nothing wrong with her....it was everyone else.....this is common, I think...
But as Bhg has said, my brother and I should now be able to give her what we know she wanted....and would choose now if she could have a moment of lucidity....x
“I think I disagree and think that a question mark makes all the difference…”
Really? Let’s have a look at what you wrote and then examine the context in which it appeared:
“When someone is dying don’t doctors still learn from their condition and in many cases administer research anaesthetics and experimental drugs as a last resort to help them to maybe helping others?”
Let’s not beat about the bush. You were responding to suggestions that euthanasia or assisted suicide should be made legally available. Your “question” might well have begun “Why should it? When someone is dying…..”
You were suggesting that euthanasia or assisted suicide should not be available because doctors need patients to be kept alive so that doctors can learn from them and experiment on them. You were not asking whether they did so or not. We are not all as dopey as you think we might be and most of us are well aware what a question mark (should) indicate without a dictionary definition being thrust upon us. There is an old saying - when in a hole you should not dig deeper.
Really? Let’s have a look at what you wrote and then examine the context in which it appeared:
“When someone is dying don’t doctors still learn from their condition and in many cases administer research anaesthetics and experimental drugs as a last resort to help them to maybe helping others?”
Let’s not beat about the bush. You were responding to suggestions that euthanasia or assisted suicide should be made legally available. Your “question” might well have begun “Why should it? When someone is dying…..”
You were suggesting that euthanasia or assisted suicide should not be available because doctors need patients to be kept alive so that doctors can learn from them and experiment on them. You were not asking whether they did so or not. We are not all as dopey as you think we might be and most of us are well aware what a question mark (should) indicate without a dictionary definition being thrust upon us. There is an old saying - when in a hole you should not dig deeper.
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