Alfie Evans:an Emergency High Court Hearing Taking Place Now.

[ladybirder]

Parents have an aircraft standing by to take him to Italy. He's now been breathing on his own for almost 24 hours. This needs the judgement of Solomon.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5650177/Alfie-Evans-clinging-life-Adler-Hey-hospital-removes-life-support.html

[naomi24]

Okay.

[Mamyalynne]

//People are being naive and it's annoying.//

Annoying to you Spath?

You have spoken long and hard on this and wavered around wildly - I can only bow to your knowledge.

I have never as a Parent been in a situation similar to this and I thank everything that is holy to me for that.

That is why I find it so damned hard to comment.

[gness]

Spath....have you ever been in the position where you felt you knew better than those with a medical degree and many years of training?

[naomi24]

Spath, this is about a child's life - not about doctors or anyone else being 'annoyed'.

[THECORBYLOON]

SPATH, the Judge also said, " I indicated to [the father] that if I felt him to be under any disadvantage during the course of the Hearing he could restore his application to be represented. In the event, as anybody sitting in Court would immediately recognise, [the father's] presentation of his case was extraordinarily impressive."

Regardless of where he gets his information, he appears to have enough grasp of it to deliver his case in an impressive manner.

[gness]

I have, Spath......with my baby as I posted earlier and in 1997 when my husband was being discharged from hospital with "nothing wrong with him".
After refusing to take him home...contacting the press and my solicitor the consultant said......For god's sake do what this woman wants so she can't say we have left any stone unturned.

My thoughts about what was wrong were proved right...MrG was transferred as an emergercy to a renal unit...his life was saved and he lived for another eleven years.
Had I listened to the consultant and taken him home he would have died.
Sometimes we just know, Spath.....x

[jackthehat]

This is the sort of thing which doesn't help...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5655109/Judge-slams-fanatical-deluded-legal-adviser-Alfie-Evans-parents.html

[gness]

It didn't, Spath because I got my way.......if I hadn't things could have been different......I have many friends and a big family..... ;-)
During many months in LGH and watching some folk being brought tasty meals for religious reasons and MrG suffering cold by the time it reached him food I set up a new religion...
The Portswood Brethren........and we had special dietary requirement which the hospital couldn't provide.....so I did...... :-)

[gness]

Should have added, Spath...so we don't all sit back and take what others think is best for us...... x

[anneasquith]

The above article provided by J. Is a demonstration how complicated this situation is. One point, the medical staff must take their guidance from the courts they no longer are making decisions about this child.

[anotheoldgit]

spathiphyllum

/// the 21 year old uneducated father demands his boy fly's to italy ///

You have no proof whatsoever that he is uneducated, but your spelling of 'flies' and not using a capital letter in 'Italy' leaves some doubt about you.

[Ken4155]

Such an emotive subject as this will never see everyone in agreement. The parents of poor little Alfie obviously love him to bits and, understandably, just don't want to let go - none of us would. The doctors have to put emotions aside and look at cases like these in a more clinical way before making decisions based on medical evidence. I would not like to be either Alfie's parent or his doctor in this situation.

[anthro-nerd]

It's a terribly complicated situation and an awful position for any parent. It looks to me like the parents are in 'fight' mode (fight or flight) and understandably so, but this might be clouding their judgement? It's an awful position to be in, if it were me (and 'facts' I've read in the media are correct) then I'd let the little boy go, cradled in my arms.