Child Marriage "shocking And Acceptable"

[vetuste_ennemi]

Full quote from the article below is "The U.N. children agency called the latest child marriage 'shocking and acceptable.'".

A think there's a typo somewhere in that phrase.

This is Malaysia, showcase for multiculturalism and diversity.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/malaysia-investigating-marriage-of-man-to-11-year-old-girl/ar-AAzsi2v?ocid=spartandhp

[sanmac]

Slightly off topic yet interesting: If there is a saying, adage, idiom or phrase with which you do not agree it’s a tiresome and humourless cliché; however, if it’s to your liking it’s a motto to live by. (Referring to post at 1450.)

[vetuste_ennemi]

By the way, I enjoyed Spathiphyllum's disquisition (thanks, Spath) on pandas, re pandas and raccoons.

From Wiki on the red panda:

"...of the superfamily Musteloidea, along with the weasel, raccoon and skunk".

And also related to the pinnipeds (seals etc.).

[kvalidir]

I think a cracking start VE would be for us to actually implement the laws that we have, so where you are seeing girls with FGM, it's imperative that we prosecute, absolutely imperative, until there are consequences people won't change. At the same time educate the generation coming up through school. Integration is vital, I would like to see everyone, men women and children attend compulsary English classes and cohesive integration classes when they arrive if they are immigrants as part of a contract permitting them to live here and it needs to be made absolutely crystal clear that Sharia law does not trump UK law. Fine it can coexist alongside our normal judicial; process for things like family courts in the same way that the Bet Din does and has for time immemorial, but the second sharia law suggests something is okay that violates our own laws then that is unacceptable and will not be any form of excuse if laws are violated. but again the key is integration and education, not just ranting that people are savages, you won't change anything like that, and I really want this to change.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Calling a paedophile a savage is not ranting, Kvalidir. (Any more than your calling me or others names for holding opinions you disapprove of).

However I agree exactly with the main drift of your post.

[kvalidir]

Calm down Spath good grief ( what was removed incidentally)?

When the age of consent is 14 in a lot of other European countries with lower teenage pregnancy rates than ours why do you feel the need to use such emotive and provocative language?
Education cannot be left to people's parents. It is the key to young people not having children, not age of consent laws. The people who become pregnant are the ones who don't think, about the future, the repercussions or indeed about the age of consent laws. Education helps with that mind set.

//You're safe guarded till you're 16 and there are reasons why, maybe you'll figure those out as you develop further yourself. //


Err thanks for that patronising load of old flannel too, that's hilarious, 'as I develop myself' I think I'll remain of exactly the same opinion, but then my man is nearly 30 years older than me which you will doubtless disapprove of as well, and I don't have a problem with that either, so I doubt we'll agree on a lot about this.

You just seem totally obsessed with 14 year olds getting pregnant which is not the same as the legal age of consent.

[kvalidir]

No I agree VE, I use some very choice words about those who denigrate, abuse and take advantage of anyone weaker than themselves and there is nothing more vile than a paedophile.

[vetuste_ennemi]

The age of consent is meant to deny genuine predators the defence - very difficult to disprove in court - that "she consented willingly". It creates an automatic crime, what the Yanks (maybe us, too) call "statutory rape".

[sanmac]

Some very good points outlined by kvaldir at 1537; however, I don't believe that sharia law, beit din, or any other type of "law" should be recognized or allowed to exist or to be tolerated in this country.

[vetuste_ennemi]

// I don't believe that sharia law, beit din, or any other type of "law" should be recognized or allowed to exist or to be tolerated in this country//

Don't know anything about Beth Din, but the comparison is a convenient apologetic to supporters of Sharia Councils. And not the bit of the BA I agree with.

These are unregulated, have no fixed standards - anyone who can pass himself off as a "sheikh" can be a Sharia judge - and "family matters" is a far wider net than you might expect, covering inheritance and custody as well as thing like multiple marriages and summary divorces. There will be precise legal prescriptions on a whole number of such matters which will run counter to British law.

[kvalidir]

Spath, so what happens if the parents DON'T educate their child? The child is left clueless, what a ridiculous way of thinking things can be? Of course you shouldn't have children if you're not prepared to educate and nurture them but some people do which is why education in a more formal manner is vital.

I would be a terrible match with a man of 20, I've never gone out with anyone less than 8 years older than I am, because generally until men hit their mid 30's they tend to be simplistic, immature, dull and small minded, so I'll settle for my wonderful 'ludicrous' relationship thanks with someone with a life of experiences that has shaped him to be clever, nuanced, fun, kind and nice to be with. You would be surprised how many women and girls feel the same, and the fact that you feel compatible people are 'ludicrous ' simply because of age says a huge amount about you. what is out of interest an acceptable age difference to you Spath (bet it's not more than 5 years)?

You can also leave home at any age ( 15 for example) and if you can show that you are not in danger of drugs, violence etc, either your parents or the local authority need to get a court order to compel you to return ( which is not always granted).

[kvalidir]

My understanding is (at least regarding Bet Din, Sharia courts I know less of personally) is that it essentially rules on ecclesiastical matters regarding the family within the confines of how it affects their religious life, so you can be considered divorced spiritually for example even if you haven't actually obtained the legal divorce yet etc) Certainly there is no suggestion that they are proper courts in the legal sense of the word and as long as that is the case I see no harm in them, but the division needs to be very clear.

[vetuste_ennemi]

This appeared years ago:

https://www.girlsnotbrides.org/a-childhood-lost-uk-parliamentarians-launch-new-report-on-child-marriage/

[sanmac]

Therefore, VE, we should either eradicate them or EDUCATE ourselves in such a way as to understand, tolerate and even embrace them.

[vetuste_ennemi]

A bit more on Sharia councils from a a friendly source:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/mar/01/inside-britains-sharia-councils-hardline-and-anti-women-or-a-dignified-way-to-divorce