One Has To Admire His Rise To Power, But An English Lord Mayor I Ask You? No Wonder We Are Losing Our Culture.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5918355/Sheffield-Lord-Mayor-bans-Donald-Trump-city-ahead-UK-visit.html

[Togo]

A handful of mud thrown into the sea does not automatically become a pebble.

[-Talbot-]

Simply being born here does not make you British.
You can be born overseas and move here and become British (as many have done very successfully)

You can come here from overseas ... let's say Libya
have children here and bring them up as Libyan ... hence they never become truly British.

[sp1814]

-Talbot-

So, is it true that Britishness should be determined on a case by case basis?

One has to wonder who would be the best kind of person to judge one’s Britishness.

[THECORBYLOON]

If you look at the link I gave, some folk are British by birth and some are not. If British by birth, then they ARE British, regardless of what others may call them.

[ToraToraTora]

well done naomi for seeing through the "what is British" trap questions. No matter what you say will be ridiculed by the VB/AB like ZM and co. It's like trying to convince a Spurs fan of the benefits of Arsenal, you cannot.

[Togo]

If they have to ask TTT...…...they aren't.

[New Judge]

"When people are born in Britain, are they not British?"

Only if one or both of their parents are either British themselves or are "legally settled" in the UK. The restriction is quite understandable. Imagine, say, and Indian woman passing through Heathrow, changing flights en route from the USA to India. She goes into labour and gives birth in Hillingdon hospital. Is her child British? Of course not. A dog born in a stable is not a horse.

[Zacs-Master]

Of course it’s a ‘trap’ question. It’s a trap question because there’s no such thing as British culture per se. It’s fluid, ever changing, dynamic.......all due to both internal and external influences.

[Canary42]

/// A dog born in a stable is not a horse. ///

Be a bit hard on Jesus Christ if it was.

[gness]

I didn't know about this Mayor...what a super chap in so many ways....and excellent posts from Mothman.... :-)

[naomi24]

SP, Yes, Prince Philip is British, but not by virtue of the fact that he has (presumably) a piece of paper declaring him to be British, but because unlike British-born Anjem Choudary who hates this country and would see the flag of Islam flying over Downing Street, or this Mayor, who is, like Sadiq Khan, disgracing his city, and moreover, bringing shame upon our Queen and country, Prince Philip is honourable. He is patriotic.

Zacs, if you want to know what being British means, that’s it…. in my opinion …. not that I’d expect you, or one or two others here who seem to think this Mayor is a good bloke, to understand it.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//...there’s no such thing as British culture per se. It’s fluid, ever changing, dynamic.......all due to both internal and external influences//

At last he admits to the deliberate (and typical) wind-up. Idle piece of sophistry: "A man cannot step into the same river twice". 'Cos it's not the same river and it's not the same man. Geddit?

No such thing as Zac's Master per se. Same logic. Same stupidity. No continuity, no shared memory, then? Nothing which connects yesterday's troll with today's?

πάντα ῥει

Google Heracleitus. Or await scholarly comment on the concept of the self by Peter Pedant.

[Zacs-Master]

Oh here we go with the Latin. Again. Zzzzzzzz.

[Zacs-Master]

It wasn’t sophistry, either. If someone states they see something disappearing, it isn’t unreasonable to ask them to say why. As no one seems able to give even one example of this erosion of Britishness I thought I’d point out why.

Why there’s any need to call that stupidity is.......stupid.

[vetuste_ennemi]

VE - destroyed again by a shaft of wit.

[Zacs-Master]

Better to be a shaft of wit, than merely a shaft.

[naomi24]

//Oh here we go with the Latin. Again. Zzzzzzzz. //

It's Greek.

Night all.

[Zacs-Master]

Meh.

[Kromovaracun]

//British values do not include insulting world leaders who are coming to this country by invitation.//

What makes you say that? The British have a long history of mocking the powerful.

//A dog born in a stable is not a horse//

Nations aren't species and countries aren't stables.

[-Talbot-]

ok..how about

A cuckoo born in a crows nest isn't a cuckoo.


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