Davis Has Set The Cat Among The Pigeons..

[Jackdaw33]

...what now?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44761056

[naomi24]

Crikey! Spoilt for choice of which thread to post this on. Oh well, here goes.

This never-ending farce results from trying to please all of the people all of the time … an impossible goal. Rather than attempt to keep a foot in the door to placate ‘Remainers’ – and to please herself – all the while dangling from a string that the EU negotiators have no intention of loosening - Mrs May should have delivered Brexit with no ifs and buts. She should have ensured that this country’s obligations were fulfilled and walked away. Leave meant leave. If she isn’t willing to deliver that then she should make room for a more capable leader. Nigel Farage springs to mind … but none of them are honest enough to concede to that! Furthermore, a general election would solve nothing because the in-fighting over Brexit is as widespread within Labour as it is within the Conservative Party.

This whole pantomime has been rotten from the word ‘go’, and unless someone who respects democracy gets a grip and makes a positive effort to deliver what the majority of the people of this country voted for, I see no end to it.

[cashier]

Dominic Raab new brexit secretary

[Jerome57]

General election - gives someone the chance for a proper mandate - not held up by the DUP and the chance to negotiate from a strong base. British sense of 'fair play' even to our own disadvantage neither understood nor appreciated elsewhere.

[jim360]

It's not enough to "ensure that this country’s obligations were fulfilled and walk away", and it never has been [tenses changed]. This is exactly the problem, one that senior Leavers seem unable to properly admit to: you can't just leave without having some system in place that replaces all that EU membership entailed. The "transition period" is also necessary, as an interim arrangement.

The details need not be what May et al have set out to do, and I agree that the requirement to please everybody has wound up, as usual, doing the exact opposite. But this mess arises because implementing Brexit is complicated, and there is no way of avoiding this.

The sensible strategy was therefore either not to bother in the first place (going all the way back to before the referendum, I mean, rather than ignoring the result), or to admit that this could not be achieved quickly and to take the time required. Instead, everyone has tried to rush it through without knowing what "it" is. No wonder there's chaos.

Simply walking away was never an option, and never will be an option.

[Old_Geezer]

I do check often, umpteen times, and correct the errors inexplcably appearing in almost every word until no one could be more certain all is finally correct. Then it's posted and more errors appear out of nowhere. I really wish folk wouldn't regularly ask why I don't do what I clearly do do almost every time. This is why an edit facility is vital, and has no legitimate reason not to exist.

[dannyk13]

Dominic Raab looks a good choice.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/who-tory-housing-minister-dominic-12428325

[Old_Geezer]

The system that replaces initially is WTO for trade, and a realisation by those being awkward that other things must be agreed also for everyone's benefit; things like security and projects. It'd focus EU minds on something other than "No, no, no" for once. No delaying remainer/EU tactics are warranted.

[Canary42]

//// make room for a more capable leader. Nigel Farage springs to mind … ////

An ex-City Banker - yeah, just what we need after 2008.

[Old_Geezer]

Horses for courses. The present course is recovering sovereignty.

[Canary42]

/// But this mess arises because implementing Brexit is complicated, and there is no way of avoiding this. ///

So why has Davis only spent just a few hours in total negotiating with the EU ?

[jno]

jerome, the last general election gave a chance for a proper mandate. The public failed to provide one. Perhaps as Brecht said, it's time to sack the public and replace them with a better one.

[sp1814]

jim360

Thank God someone has spoken sense on this. The idea that the UK can simply walk away from the EU is nonsense.

We have 40 years of trade agreements, laws, customs agreements, bilateral medical agreements etc - we cannot simply walk away from these commitments. It’s not possible.

[naomi24]

Jim, //Simply walking away was never an option, and never will be an option.//

It hasn’t been suggested as an option.

//The sensible strategy was …. to admit that this could not be achieved quickly and to take the time required.//

The sensible strategy hasn’t been attempted.

[naomi24]

OG, have you tried typing your answers into a Word document and checking it before copying and pasting it into the Answer box? An edit facility here would be disastrous.

[Jackdaw33]

I have to do that as my spellcheck no longer works on AB.

[Old_Geezer]

No one has ever successfully indicated why an edit facility in here would be disasterous when it is fine on other forums. There is a limit on how much working around someone should be expected to do to compensate for the lack of common functionality & compassion here.

[Jackdaw33]

I think that by edit facility it is meant one whereby you can amend a post AFTER it has been posted. This means you could post all kinds of insults then quickly edit it before the mods get aroung to noticing.

[naomi24]

^There's your answer OG.

[Ken4155]

I always believed the 'mods' were God-like - omnipotent and see all:-/

[dannyk13]

Sp1814, Walking away from the EU is not walking away from the countries of Europe.