Obama Vs. Trump And The Odd Reaction Of Middle England

[sp1814]

Remember when President Obama talked of Britain possibly being put to the back of the queue of we left the EU?

Middle England collectively lost their minds.

Now, Trump has similarly stuck his oar into our business, and the same folk are twisting themselves up into an orgy of delight.

Are they giant gammon-centric hypocrites?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5945641/Trump-threaten-drop-transatlantic-trade-deal-unless-hard-Brexit.html#comments

[naomi24]

Not the same thing at all, sp. Best you stop digging.

[Zacs-Master]

AOG does have a point if we're discussing hypocrisy. As for the DM comments.....what would you expect of it's readers?

Putting to one side the ridiculously prejudiced opinions of people who can be bothered to register so that they can make comments on the DM website.......
The political landscape was completely different when the DM readers expressed their opinion. Our leader wasn't someone who was making a complete hash of Brexit. Brexit hadn't even happened.

[ToraToraTora]

so SP is making jokes about skin colour?? isn't that a touch racist?

[andy-hughes]

I do worry that President Trump has still not lost the habit of speaking as though he is running his business empire.

"I think, therefore this will happen …" is fine when you are CEO, but when you are President, something called Congress has a say in what happens as well.

[sp1814]

TTT / naomi24 / AOG

I just want to get something clarified - are you saying that Trump’s interjection is fine, and Obama’s wasn’t?

If so, please help me understand why - because they look identical, but just mirror images.

And the gammon reference isn’t racist.

(for obvious reasons)

[andy-hughes]

Another worrying aspect of President Trump's approach to his role, is that he speaks like he Tweets - if it comes into his brain, it comes out of his mouth, however ill-considered, un-thought-through, or even vaguely close to the truth it may be.

[-Talbot-]

It's an insult based on skin colour...how is it not racist?

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// as you don’t have to be a specific race to go red with rage ///

I am not being racist here or even trying to offend anyone, but I can't ever say that I have seen a black person blushing with a red face.

[ToraToraTora]

I'll speak for me not the other 2:
"I just want to get something clarified - are you saying that Trump’s interjection is fine, and Obama’s wasn’t?" - Yes

"If so, please help me understand why - because they look identical, but just mirror images." - Obama was threatening action if we did not comply, Trump is merely stating an opinion.

"And the gammon reference isn’t racist." _ I have no idea what this whole gammon thing is but it seems to refer to skin colour. As far as I can tell, when skin colour is used as a factor, it is generally considered racist, even by you.

[sp1814]

-Talbot-

When it is applicable to several different races.

I blame myself for this avenue. Like an idiot, I used the phrase in the question which allows this diversion.

However, the fact remains that people other than white people can and do go red when blood rushes to their heads.

[ToraToraTora]

"like an idiot" - so you are doing an impression?

[ToraToraTora]

Gammon isn't even red, sort of pink really, so why gammon? Not Topside? that's redder.

[sp1814]

AOG

You might not have, but I have, depending on their skin tone.

And again - not being white doesn’t make you black.

Therefore ‘gammon-centric’ cannot be applied to just white people.

[sp1814]

TTT

C’mon, threatening to drop a trade deal based on the type of Brexit we go for is way more than a statement of opinion!

[ichkeria]

He’s basically - from what it seems - ordering the government to do x or he’ll retaliate with y. Actually worse than Obama. At least that was the back of the queue. There doesn’t appear to be a place in any queue going by what he says.
Smile politely and nod I think may be the only way here.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// However, the fact remains that people other than white people can and do go red when blood rushes to their heads. ///

Now you do have me mystified, are you actually telling me that their faces turn from a deep black to a noticeable red?

[ToraToraTora]

and why are we using cuts of meat to describe peoples skin colour anyway?

[dannyk13]

Andy // Congress has a say in what happens as well.//
Except when Trump issues an executive order which he seems fond of doing.

[Bazile]

I would just like to say that there are a lot of 'black' people who have very, very light coloured skin

[vetuste_ennemi]

Note the use of single quotes in the typical DM headline. Difficult to miss given the opening sentence of the article you're citing, SP:

"A former senior White House source predicted the President will voice his support for a hard Brexit at the glitzy dinner...".

If that's what Trump thinks, then I hope he tells May so privately, but shuts up in public. Obama's "back of the queue [or was it "line"]" endorsement of Remain was indeed disgraceful, although I can't remember having "lost [my] mind" over it. (Not that I qualify as "Middle England" having been brought up in Sussex - as in "silly" and "by the sea" - and born in Bournmouth - which became the gay capital of the South Coast after the gays for some reason became bored with Brighton - or possibly when Bournmouth drifted west into Dorset during the seventies. Who knows?)

As for the rest of the article:

"Sources close to the President say he believes a... speedy transatlantic trade deal would be impossible if the UK keeps close ties with Brussels."

and

"...the British government is not going to be in a position to negotiate a trade deal with the United States"

Well, that's all true, isn't it?.