Obama Vs. Trump And The Odd Reaction Of Middle England

[sp1814]

Remember when President Obama talked of Britain possibly being put to the back of the queue of we left the EU?

Middle England collectively lost their minds.

Now, Trump has similarly stuck his oar into our business, and the same folk are twisting themselves up into an orgy of delight.

Are they giant gammon-centric hypocrites?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5945641/Trump-threaten-drop-transatlantic-trade-deal-unless-hard-Brexit.html#comments

[sp1814]

ichkeria

I think andy-hughes makes a good point. Perhaps Trump thinks that like in a business sense, or like in The Apprentice, he can snap his fingers to ‘make it so’.

It may be, that we can simply ignore him.

[Zacs-Master]

Surely racism can't be applied to a temporary condition?

[Zacs-Master]

Sorry sp, Didn't mean to re-divert.

[mushroom25]

//It may be, that we can simply ignore him. //

so why the orange baby blimp then?

[sp1814]

mushroom25

I’m not in favour of the blimp and/or tomorrow’s protests, so I can’t really answer.

[Kromovaracun]

'Gammon' is a slang term that recently emerged on the internet. It refers to a stereotype of people on the (far) right who get very angry very easily about Brexit, immigration, muslims and various other right-wing talking points at every opportunity. It comes from a compilation of particularly whingey Question Time contributors that somebody made online called the 'chart of gammon' which was making fun of how red-faced and blustering the people in the image were.

If you're au fait with what an 'SJW' is (which, for those not in the know, is another piece of slang for an entitled, self-absorbed, humourless perpetually-offended person on the left who gets very angry over perceived or real racism, sexism, homophobia etc. at every opportunity) - the two terms are pretty much mirror images of each other for the right and left respectively.

[sp1814]

Kromovaracun

Thank you for that - however, I would argue that ‘snowflake’ is the equal and opposite of ‘gammon’.

[Kromovaracun]

I think 'snowflake' has recently elided 'SJW' in popularity yes. They effectively mean the same thing though.

[ludwig]

Krom is right up to a point, but it also specifically refers to white, middle aged, usually podgy men. So ticking most of the ...ist boxes plus a bit of fat shaming in one handy label.

These have long been the last remaining minority group that it's ok to be derogatory and make sweeping statements about, it's just taken a while to come up with a name for them ...the 'G' word, if you like.

[naomi24]

//I think andy-hughes makes a good point. Perhaps Trump thinks that like in a business sense, or like in The Apprentice, he can snap his fingers to ‘make it so’. //

That’s nonsense. Trump knows that isn’t so. He’s not a fool. He does, however, think like a businessman – and there’s nothing wrong with that.

Sp, //I just want to get something clarified - are you saying that Trump’s interjection is fine, and Obama’s wasn’t?//

Obama’s interjection was designed specifically to influence the outcome of the referendum. Mrs May has her plan (pathetic as it is) ready to put before the EU. Trump hasn’t influenced that, or made any attempt to do so. It’s not that difficult to understand.

Any response to v_e’s post at 15:47?

And, incidentally sp, if ‘gammon’ refers to skin colour, then yes, it is racist. Excuses won’t wash.

[Zacs-Master]

But it's a temporary skin colour. Surely even a snowflake wouldn't be offended / offended on behalf of someone for the sake of someone's skin turning red for a few seconds / minutes?

[ToraToraTora]

kromo, so lefties never get angry about their favourite subjects and perhaps go a shade of gammon?

[ToraToraTora]

I don't think snowflake is the same as SJW. The former is used to describe modern yoof who think life is so much harder for them than previous generations, eg spathy always moaning he can't buy a house or whatever. The later is more about those that get offended on behalf of some group they think may/should be offended by the issue in question.

[sp1814]

naomi24

I don’t think this is the case. Remember, President Obama’s only said that the UK might find themselves at the back of the queue as an answer to claims of Brexit campaigners that Britain would ‘easily be able to negotiate a fresh trade deal with the U.S.’

Obama said:

They are voicing an opinion about what the United States is going to do, I figured you might want to hear from the President of the United States what I think the United States is going to do.

Right now, we have factions within the government fighting for a so-called ‘soft Brexit’ and a ‘hard Brexit’. And even though Mrs May has a fudged compromise to take to the EU, it’s no where near being a done deal, not with the recent resignations of Davis and Johnson.

With this story, and Trump’s recent summary of his relationship with BoJo, all the indications are that he’s backing one faction, and it’s not Mrs May’s.

That’s a serious interjection.

[ToraToraTora]

Having a view on something is not the same as threatening a punishment for non compliance, that's what Obama did.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// That’s a serious interjection. ///

Yes but for the good of the British people, can't you see the difference?

[sp1814]

AOG

I can see a difference, but it’s an opinion, rather than fact - surely?

Don’t you think that you think that it’s good for the country because you believe in Brexit?

[naomi24]

sp, of course it isn't a serious interjection. In fact it's not an interjection at all. Mrs May's plan was formulated before today and without Mr Trump's approval or otherwise. You're flogging a dead horse with this one, sp.

[sp1814]

TTT

According to the story - it’s a threat.

Here’s something else that we should consider...as leader of the US, wouldn’t Trump be interested in Brexit purely from a strategic American perspective?

Why would he have our best interests at heart?

If he (as others have claimed) is a wily businessman, surely he would only be interested in securing trade deals that were favourable to America?

[naomi24]

Haaaa! And Obama was all heart! Pull the other one, sp!