Obama Vs. Trump And The Odd Reaction Of Middle England

[sp1814]

Remember when President Obama talked of Britain possibly being put to the back of the queue of we left the EU?

Middle England collectively lost their minds.

Now, Trump has similarly stuck his oar into our business, and the same folk are twisting themselves up into an orgy of delight.

Are they giant gammon-centric hypocrites?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5945641/Trump-threaten-drop-transatlantic-trade-deal-unless-hard-Brexit.html#comments

[sp1814]

naomi24

I don’t think so - because the deal isn’t done.

All we have at the moment is a rickety agreement amongst the Conservatives, which has not been ratified by the 27 countries in the EU.

Do you think that it’s all over now, and that Johnson’s and Davis’ resignations mean nothing?

Do you think that if there’s a leadership race and May is ousted, we will go ahead with the current deal?

Honestly - I don’t think it’s a done deal yet.

[sp1814]

And...if this threat means nothing, and Brexit is going to happen as per the agreed Conservative fudge - why would Trump say anything?

[naomi24]

I know it isn't a done deal. I'm hoping they'll kick Mrs May's traitorous plan into touch. I'm sure Mr Trump does have the USA's interests at heart - and so he should. If only I could say the same for our government.

[sp1814]

Okay naomi24.

[naomi24]

sp, Mr Trump hasn't said anything yet, but it's not a threat. It's a fact of life.

[Zacs-Master]

He's said that he thinks the British people aren't getting what they want (just before Airforce One touched down).

[Peter Pedant]

well we all agree (ha!) that Trump is America First
( foo ! yeah! make america great again! chant the usual suspects)

and so when he says that Brexit is good n stuff the frogs....
the usual suspects havent quite grasped that hard Brexit will be good for America ( yeah America first! remember?) and not necessarily in our best interests.

durrr

anyway who can like someone who locks up little kids without trial?

[Peter Pedant]

// Mr Trump hasn't said anything yet, but it's not a threat. It's a fact of life.// someone - a deep thinker

er no - he tweets a lot - I think his aides would HOPE he hasnt said anything. But that is usually a few minutes after he's said something.

and as for Trump speaking in British best interests
er no - it was America first - not the UK near the top of the list

[naomi24]

PeterPedant, I'm flattered that you've, yet again, chosen one of my posts to comment on. Pity that every time you do you appear to lose the plot. That seems to be an occupational hazard with some around here.

[naomi24]

Zacs, //He's said that he thinks the British people aren't getting what they want (just before Airforce One touched down). //

He's right.

[jambutty]

He most certainly is.

[naomi24]

Just a thought on the USA’s stance on trading agreements with us. It stands to reason that if we remain tied to EU rules the US won’t enter into an arrangement which we are not at liberty to change by mutual agreement with them. That would be tantamount to confining them to EU rules too. I think that’s the bottom line.

[New Judge]

"The point is - if you complain about Obama’s interjections, surely you would complain about Trump’s?"

Not necessarily. Mr Obama's interjections were aimed at influencing the electorate. They were impertinent, uncalled for (and they largely failed to win the day). President Trump's are aimed at influencing his fellow politicians.

[sp1814]

NJ

But Obama’s interjections were a response. He was giving his view as leader of the US.

naomi24 - I think you’re being a little unfair on PP.

Peter - for what it’s worth, this is only the third time I’ve actually understood one of your posts. I’m currently patting myself on the back.

[naomi24]

Sp, // He [Obama] was giving his view as leader of the US.//

No he wasn’t - he was issuing a threat.

//naomi24 - I think you’re being a little unfair on PP.//

Do you? I don’t.

[sp1814]

Let’s think about this from Trump’s point of view.

If we indeed went for a hard Brexit, with no formalised trade agreement between us and Europe, that wouldn’t change the relationship the US has with the EU, right?

So - think about these proposed trade deals between the UK and US...it makes way more sense for the US to use its buying and selling power to leverage the best deal it can. It could literally mean the US playing the EU off against the UK.

That’s what any sensible businessman would do.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//anyway who can like someone who locks up little kids without trial?//

Boo, hiss. Got it, Mr Pedant.

Now can you explain why the provisions and procedures of the law Trump inherited from Obama were not equally odious in his predecessor's day?

Are you aware that a part of the reason for separating children and parent is actually doubt about the familial relationship?

In cases of such doubt please explain what in your opinion would constitute an appropriate and humane procedure. (I'm assuming you're able to think through the implications of the previous paragraph. Like he's not actually her father).

[naomi24]

Absolutely. Trump will do what's best for the US - and being restricted to agreements with us that we don't have the power to re-negotiate separately, isn't best for the US. Mr Trump wants freedom to negotiate. Our proposed future association with the EU doesn't offer that.

[naomi24]

^That to sp.

[sp1814]

Ha ha - awesome naomi24.

Excellent.

On that note, we should leave it.

Have a fab evening!