Brexit: Think Again

[bainbrig]

Michael Morpurgo argues it's time to think again over Brexit.

"It is surely time to accept that we have made a mistake", he writes, "that whichever way we voted, things are not turning out the way we expected".

"Or are we too proud?" he asks.

Listen, if you're not one of the shouty brigade, to Morpurgo's reasoned argument on BBC4's Point of View

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bclyj3

It's only ten minutes long, and will give you cause/pause for thought.

BillB

[Zacs-Master]

I think that rather reinforces my point danny boy.

[dannyk13]

Do you have a point other than to hold to the delusion that the EU is a goo thing.

[Zacs-Master]

I’ve never said the EU was a good thing. Trawl through my posts if you like but you won’t find one instance of me saying so. What I have said is that we were one of the most prosperous nations in the world and the reason I voted remain was, although the system was far from perfect, it worked. Hoping that voting to leave the EU will result in a preferential system is delusional.

It’s nice to see you joining in the debate anyway, rather than slinging insults around.

[Khandro]

Garaman, the beginning of the European Economic Community was between the 'Benelux' countries and had nothing at all to do with what you call nationalism. It was originally to do with tariffs on steel and coal and it widened over time adding more members (not allowing Britain to join) and had nothing other than trading as its objectives.
In my opinion Britain should never have joined (I voted against it) and it should have stuck to economic trading, scientific and educational issues etc., not grandiose ideas about a united states of Europe, which are now leading to its downfall because 'the people' have no appetite for it, (you and a few others excepted) :0)
Do listen to Steve Bannon, above, who in my mind has more nous in his little finger than the whole European commission put together.

[Tashi]

Danny at 1453, people like the OP annoy me, they take a superior stance then when challenged, especially by a woman, hoist up their skirts and are not seen for a while.

[New Judge]

"As for the examples you give (weed killer For Funks Sake!) they’re hardly worth the hassle which Brexit is causing are they?"

No they're not. But as you well know, the reason why many voted to Leave is not because they can no longer get their favourite weedkiller (or lightbulbs or vacuum cleaners). You've asked for examples where the EU upsets the daily lives of people. They've given them to you - lightbulbs, weedkiller and vacuum cleaners are involved in people's daily lives. You've dismissed them as trivial (which admittedly, by themselves, most are). Some people have gone on to explain the reasons why they are averse to the EU in principle. You've dismissed them as well. That's your prerogative. You've mentioned debating principles. Well it's not sound debate to ask the same questions over and over again, receiving by and large the same answers, but repeating the questions simply because you don't agree with the answers you are given.

[Garaman]

Khandro, you need to look further back, though I know you don’t want to. The Treaty of Rome followed the Treaty of Paris. The driving force for the latter was the need to bring Europe together and put an end to nationalism (not just what I call it, but what it is called), and the conflict it brought.

I have watched, and read, Bannon several times, and a lot of far right stuff. You should try reading some things that aren’t far right to get a more balanced view.

[Zacs-Master]

NJ, I haven’t dismissed the Sovreignty, Freedom and (whatever the other one was) points at all. I’ve merely asked how people who voted leave see the ‘return’ of those things affecting our daily life. No one seems to be able to. Torah has waffled around the subject but hasn’t actually answered my question.
I’m glad you admit the practical reasons are trivial though. We do seem to be making some headway in that department at least.

[ichkeria]

Leave won the referendum not because of UKIP, the smirking jelly baby Banks or the Daily Mail: it was because the brilliant Dominic Cummings managed (with the help of a fair bit of dubious spending of money of doubtful provenance it is true) to dig out potential voters who’d never voted and show them how voting ‘leave’ might change their lives.
The tragedy is of course it won’t tho it will babe fun seeing who gets the blame for that: at the moment my money is on the traitors who delivered a non-Brexit Brexit.
And we all know which party that is.

[Khandro]

Garaman; //you need to look further back, though I know you don’t want to. The Treaty of Rome followed the Treaty of Paris.//

The treaty of Paris was in 1763 !

[cassa333]

He’s a blooming children’s writer. So what?