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bainbrig | 10:03 Sun 05th Aug 2018 | News
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Michael Morpurgo argues it's time to think again over Brexit.

"It is surely time to accept that we have made a mistake", he writes, "that whichever way we voted, things are not turning out the way we expected".

"Or are we too proud?" he asks.

Listen, if you're not one of the shouty brigade, to Morpurgo's reasoned argument on BBC4's Point of View

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bclyj3

It's only ten minutes long, and will give you cause/pause for thought.

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Sir Michael Andrew Bridge Morpurgo, OBE, FRSL, FKC, DL is an English book author, poet, playwright, and librettist who is known best for children's novels such as War Horse. Although aimed primarily at young people, these can be read by people of all ages. I have heard him talk and it was one of the most enjoyable talks I have been to. Will listen to his argument...
10:23 Sun 05th Aug 2018
// and which European countries do you consider are thinking of going to war with one another? //

Good point. The European Union was set up just after the Second World War hoping to end the frequent wars between neighbours. It has done a very good job in that regard as Khandro acknowledges.
Bainbrig, NJ has posted far more reasoned arguments in contrast to your usual ravings.
/// Once the others here have actually LISTENED to Morpurgo's short talk, I'll respond to them. As of now, they are just SHOUTY brigade members. What's the motto, people? Shout first think later? (Oh bliss, think at all would be a start) ///

What on Earth puts you ahead in the IQ Stakes, you can not even use italics. You frequently put peoples intelligence down on AB then go on to ask the most basic of questions on Technology that a toddler could answer, you appear to be well up your own ***
‘So let's leave it at this then: it's not what they do, it's the fact that they can do it that is the issue. That way we won't get bogged down with light-bulbs‘

I’ll take that to read ‘it doesn’t affect my life at all but I have this massive chip on my shoulder which jaundices my thinking on the subject’

When pressed, non of you leave voters can come up with a single thing to demonstrate how the EU affects your daily life. It’s all ‘potential’ this and ‘could’ that.
Wow Tashi, come off the fence.
Bainbrig has had the courage to say what i’ve often thought but been too polite to say :-)
NJ has his views which I respect and they are often made clearly if somewhat lengthily but I don’t think that the title ‘judge’ should imbue them with any more weight than anyone else’s.
The crux of all this, which we run round eternally, is that there’s no one idea of what ‘Brexit’ means. That’s what it comes back to constantly.
The other thing is no doubt everyone (excepting perhaps the rather more sinister Bannonites) want is what they think is best for the UK regardless of ideology
"...but I don’t think that the title ‘judge’ should imbue them with any more weight than anyone else’s."

What makes you think that they do? Would it help if I changed my username to something like "SackClothandAshes (The ABer formerly known as N)J"?
Garaman// The European Union was set up just after the Second World War hoping to end the frequent wars between neighbours. It has done a very good job in that regard as Khandro acknowledges.//

Khandro acknowledges nothing of the sort. Firstly you are wrong on when the EU was set up -and it wasn't the "EU"

World War II ended in 1945, yet the EC was not created until the signing of the Treaty of Rome in 1957. Why was there not a war in the 12 years from 1945 to 1957?

Peace has been preserved by the US presence in Europe and NATO, not by a Brussels bureaucracy .
A name change game? Bainfraid has been suggested. Mind you he supported the "judge" who jailed TR.
//Why was there not a war in the 12 years from 1945 to 1957? //

Because leaders of some European countries got together straight after the war in an attempt to end nationalism, which had been causing conflict between European countries. Their idea was to form a union with a common goal. It hasn't been perfect by any means, but as regards ending conflict it has been successful.
Zacs, it isn't the specific examples, that you are so keen to uncover, that is the issue, it's the lack of control and where it presently is. It always was, asking for examples is simply a “red herring”. But if you insist, off the top of my head, I'd say every time we are banned from a decent weed-killer, or a good paint stripper, or a particular type of lightbulb, or a desired vacuum cleaner above a certain wattage, we see examples of the EU causing us disadvantage. Really, you wanted the info, not others, you should do the research rather than say there are no examples and then claim you have got one up on others who opt not to do your work for you simply because you ordered it.

Bain, I'm at a loss to see why folk who show or argue against the nonsense in the clip are labelled "shouty" yet not those who wish to support it. One can't just dismiss things like that. Just because something is said in a soft and unjustified air of authority it doesn't make it right. It merely makes it more likely to fool folk into thinking it's right due to the tone of the voice rather than what is actually said.
Garaman; Another one wishing to re-write history to suit your narrative. Who were these people sitting round the table discussing a union?
‘Old_Geezer Zacs, it isn't the specific examples, that you are so keen to uncover’

Oh but it is. Care to give me a couple?
ZM, He already has at 15,24
I haven’t ‘ordered’ anyone to do anything. I’ve ‘asked’. It’s fairly standard debating procedure to back up ones statements when challenged, otherwise we end up with a playground scenario like your ‘you go and do it then’ one which is childish in the extreme.

As for the examples you give (weed killer For Funks Sake!) they’re hardly worth the hassle which Brexit is causing are they?
If you think they’re good examples of how the EU rule over us like some tyrannical behemoth which leave voters like to paint the EU as, I’d suggest your deluded, Danny.

Paint stripper and lightbulbs....I ask you! Sheesh.
European leaders, and/or their representatives Khandro.

Just to be clear, I am saying that the initial driving force behind European integration, and the future EU, was the ending of nationalism and the ending of the conflict which nationalism had caused. Are you disagreeing with that?
ZM Good manners stops me replying to your insulting post.
Good manners......bereft of a meaningful answer more like.
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