Questions For The British Home Secretary

[Khandro]

Lots of 'first times' on here, including the first in this post to sign in on the Koran. Where is Britain heading?

[fiction-factory]

>If someone claims to have been mistreated in prison, the response is a formal enquiry. It has to be….. only not in this case.

So if any prisoner posts a story on youtube the government would hold an enquiry? No of course they wouldn't. Now if they could produce evidence and would be prepared to go public and answer questions and put their case, or if lawyers would act on their behalf, or if they could get it raised at PMs question time then maybe there would be questions to answer. But if expect The Home Secreatry to sit down and respond to each of the 10 demands of an axe grinder with no general credibility on youtube I think you are mistaken

[naomi24]

//So if any prisoner posts a story on youtube the government would hold an enquiry?//

Who said that - apart from you?

[fiction-factory]

//That's rich coming from the likes of you.

So you agree. AOG: he has an agenda. What does "the likes of you" mean?

[fiction-factory]

Naomi. You are slipping up today. You said "If someone claims to have been mistreated in prison, the response is a formal enquiry." I gave an example of someone making a claim and asked if there would be a formal enquiry - and you said i'd made it up. Have you read your post? So didn't you mean what you said?

[anotheoldgit]

fiction-factory

/// So you agree. AOG: he has an agenda. What does "the likes of you" mean? ///

No I wasn't agreeing with you, I was stating that it was rich coming from you and those like you, who constantly reveal your own agendas.

[fiction-factory]

Oh the irony. Good one, AOG. So I and the likes of me have an agenda but Tommy Robinson doesn't, and presumably you don't think you and other TR supportes have

[naomi24]

fiction-factory, // You said "If someone claims to have been mistreated in prison, the response is a formal enquiry." I gave an example of someone making a claim and asked if there would be a formal enquiry - and you said i'd made it up.//

You had made it up. Tommy Robinson made a formal complaint but you didn’t know that because you didn’t take the trouble to find out.

Here you are:

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/tommy-robinson-muslims-prison-onley-14990733

Where's the formal enquiry?

//Have you read your post? So didn't you mean what you said?//

Yes, I have read my post – and I always mean what I say.

[anotheoldgit]

fiction-factory

I think that everyone has an agenda otherwise we would all hold the same views on matters.

The difference here being, the like of you only criticise your opponents for having an agenda.

[Gromit]

// Where is the enquiry into these allegations? //

Has Robinson made an official complaint? If not, then any claim he makes will not be investigated. If he was mistreated, why would he not report it to the relevent authority?
You can’t expect the Home Office to respond to every nutjob LooneyTube.

[jim360]

According to N's link, he did complain, but the complaints were rejected as utterly false. I should have thought that settles it -- especially as his complaints seem to amount to "I don't trust anyone so please give me some cash".

[naomi24]

Gromit, //Has Robinson made an official complaint?/

Yes.

[fiction-factory]

naomi- you are hard work today.
You said "If someone claims to have been mistreated in prison, the response is a formal enquiry". You didn't say "made a formal complaint".
If he has made a formal complaint I'd be interested in a link if you could provide it please so i can see what's happened to it. Are/were his legal team involved? Have they appealed? Has he gone to his MP?

[fiction-factory]

Okay sorry Naomi o didn't see down to your link. I will read it

[fiction-factory]

But Naomi- please stop saying I'd made things up. I can usually show they are true and have done a couple of times here- then you start wriggling by saying something along the lines of "well that wasn't my interpretation " or you just keep repeating that i made it up.

[fiction-factory]

Okay. Read the article now.
It was rejected.
You said "If someone claims to have been mistreated in prison, the response is a formal enquiry. It has to be….. only not in this case. "
So have you got figures showing how many formal complaints are made and all but this one resulted in a formal enquiry?
I can imagine lots of complaints ike this are made, investigated briefly and then rejected- but i'd be happy to see any facts that show this not to be the case

[naomi24]

Jim, //but the complaints were rejected as utterly false.//

By whom> According to my link, ‘A Prison Service spokesman’.

Who’s he then?

//his complaints seem to amount to "I don't trust anyone so please give me some cash".//

You’re at it again. You and FF make a good team. I’ve seen no mention of Tommy Robinson asking for cash in connection with his complaints.

FF, // please stop saying I'd made things up. I can usually show they are true //

But what you said wasn’t true – and twice yesterday you said things that weren’t true. I’ve no reason to wriggle. Unlike you, I don’t make it up – or rely upon my imagination.

[anotheoldgit]

Someone complained that a thread had become a Zacs-Master v AOG thread, and it was closed.

Please don't let this naomi24 v
fiction-factory thread meet the same fate.

[naomi24]

aog, I can see input from five people on this page alone. Hardly a two-way dialogue.

[Khandro]

There have been many instances throughout history ; in the USSR, the DDR, the Weimar Republic, Nazi Germany, etc. where upon hearing unpalatable stories, a certain kind of person dismisses them outright, naw! they say, 'he's lying', 'that kind of thing doesn't happen here' 'it's all being fabricated to suit a political narrative' etc. etc.
Curiously, in the long run, they usually turn out to have been true.

[Kromovaracun]

To be fair, though, there was an overwhelming amount of evidence that it was happening in the examples you listed, Khandro. There's none here. Robinson wrote a complaint that he felt too afraid to eat the food and asked to either have his status upgraded or to be given money.