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It's A Very Scary Time For Young Men In America, Do You Agree?
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Yes I know Trump said it, but please don't turn this into yet another anti-Trump thread, please address it on the fact that if one is a man (no matter of what nationality) one can be deemed guilty until proven innocent.
Yes I know Trump said it, but please don't turn this into yet another anti-Trump thread, please address it on the fact that if one is a man (no matter of what nationality) one can be deemed guilty until proven innocent.
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Okay Talbot you'll wish you never asked this because I have plenty to say about Kavanaugh.
I was trying to agree that someone will always stick up for the bad guy because of their own personal opinions in my previous post however.
Regarding Kavanaugh, I think he's wholly unsuitable, not just because of the allegations levied against him but because of his general temperament, personality type and demeanour. He's erratic, fond of drinking, aggressive, is liberal with the truth in small matters (so why not bigger ones?), he attempted, not to answer questions directly as Ford did, but to constantly deflect and antagonise, when asked if he had ever blacked out drinking, he responded by saying 'Have you?'.
Jeff flake the Arizona Republican was all geared up to back Kavanaugh originally and having a sudden change of heart about intelligence he received postponed the floor vote for a week in order for the FBI to investigate. He said in fact:-
//“It has been remarkable over the past week the number of people who saw Dr. Ford speak yesterday and were emboldened to come out and to say what had happened to them. I’ve heard from friends, close friends — had no idea.” //
He can almost singlehandedly sink Kavanaugh's ship, and something has been said to him to make him consider doing it.
Despite his Yale classmates stating that he frequently fought, argued, was belligerant and passed out from excessive drinking when young, Kavanaugh continually denied this. I'm pretty sure that not all of them were lying, especially the Conservative writer Mark Judge who recalls him 'throwing up and passing out in a car' and indeed wrote about this in one of his books years ago, way before these accusations came to light.
It's no big deal if he drank in college but it's a huge deal to perjure himself about it and that alone makes him unsuitable for the office he is proposed for.
Text messages confirm that he and his legal team knew about Ramirez's allegation that he exposed himself to her beforehand, despite him stating it was recent news to him.
Mark Avenatti who represent Swetnick and a new witness has contacted the FBI to say they they wish to be interviewed as both witnessed Kavanaugh spiking women's drinks to make it easier to have sex with them.
Now, singularly he might be the victim of some 'misunderstanding' or 'grudge', a political hit even, but the evidence does appear to be stacked, and I am most concerned tbh about the perjury aspect rather than is he a drunk, because I think that's pretty obvious. You can't have a Supreme Court representative who has no problem with lying or other people who do.
I was trying to agree that someone will always stick up for the bad guy because of their own personal opinions in my previous post however.
Regarding Kavanaugh, I think he's wholly unsuitable, not just because of the allegations levied against him but because of his general temperament, personality type and demeanour. He's erratic, fond of drinking, aggressive, is liberal with the truth in small matters (so why not bigger ones?), he attempted, not to answer questions directly as Ford did, but to constantly deflect and antagonise, when asked if he had ever blacked out drinking, he responded by saying 'Have you?'.
Jeff flake the Arizona Republican was all geared up to back Kavanaugh originally and having a sudden change of heart about intelligence he received postponed the floor vote for a week in order for the FBI to investigate. He said in fact:-
//“It has been remarkable over the past week the number of people who saw Dr. Ford speak yesterday and were emboldened to come out and to say what had happened to them. I’ve heard from friends, close friends — had no idea.” //
He can almost singlehandedly sink Kavanaugh's ship, and something has been said to him to make him consider doing it.
Despite his Yale classmates stating that he frequently fought, argued, was belligerant and passed out from excessive drinking when young, Kavanaugh continually denied this. I'm pretty sure that not all of them were lying, especially the Conservative writer Mark Judge who recalls him 'throwing up and passing out in a car' and indeed wrote about this in one of his books years ago, way before these accusations came to light.
It's no big deal if he drank in college but it's a huge deal to perjure himself about it and that alone makes him unsuitable for the office he is proposed for.
Text messages confirm that he and his legal team knew about Ramirez's allegation that he exposed himself to her beforehand, despite him stating it was recent news to him.
Mark Avenatti who represent Swetnick and a new witness has contacted the FBI to say they they wish to be interviewed as both witnessed Kavanaugh spiking women's drinks to make it easier to have sex with them.
Now, singularly he might be the victim of some 'misunderstanding' or 'grudge', a political hit even, but the evidence does appear to be stacked, and I am most concerned tbh about the perjury aspect rather than is he a drunk, because I think that's pretty obvious. You can't have a Supreme Court representative who has no problem with lying or other people who do.
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If I had been sexually abused to the point it ruined my whole life for 40 years I would be able to recall every small detail..."
I don't believe you for a second, but I'm glad that you haven't had the chance to realise how wrong you are. Memory doesn't work the way you think it does.
At the risk of drawing too close a comparison, I was thinking back to the times I've been beaten up or mugged in the street lately. Both of them seriously affected my attitude for years, and while I can't claim permanent scarring, luckily, they were harrowing enough all the same.
But the thing is, a lot of the details are fading now. I can't even remember which one happened first, what day it was, the year, etc. I do remember one particular detail about one of them rather vividly: the helplessness I felt as one of the gang left me and joined the circle surrounding my brother, and all I did was watch as they fought with him instead. But the rest is kind of blurring into nothingness. Similarly for the other incident, where I can no longer remember who it was who beat me up, even though at the time I was able to confidently identify him.
I really don't want to turn this thread into a story about me, but the basic truth of the matter is that memory does not work the way you think it does if you expect Ford to be able to recall all the details of what happened before and after. Only the truth of the event, and the emotional impact, can be expected to remain.
It's therefore a nonsense to argue that Blasey Ford must be lying because she can't remember how she got to the place or from it. There's no reason to expect her to remember these things.
The pay-off, of course, is that if this case were ever to come before a court of law then the lack of detail in the story has to count against a conviction. But we aren't in a court of law. This is about deciding who to allow to make the laws of the country, and I would think it stands to reason that the lawmakers of the US should be held to the highest standards of behaviour and accountability. The very nature of this story, and Kavanaugh's response to it, damages his credibility and fails to meet those high standards, does it not?
Most people, and even most Supreme Court nominees, don't even have whispers of this sort of thing. Neil Gorsuch, whatever else you think of his role in swinging the Court to the right, never faced these allegations, so it's a nonsense to assume that they are just deployed as weapons whenever political foes feel like it. Of course, the Democrats tried to block the nomination in other ways, for political reasons, but there again that was their job as the opposition, and it's sadly part and parcel of modern US politics.
Regardless of the specifics, then, it is errant nonsense to claim, as AuntLydia does, that the memory of a traumatic event must be perfect or else it didn't happen. Anyone who thinks so understands neither memory nor trauma.
If I had been sexually abused to the point it ruined my whole life for 40 years I would be able to recall every small detail..."
I don't believe you for a second, but I'm glad that you haven't had the chance to realise how wrong you are. Memory doesn't work the way you think it does.
At the risk of drawing too close a comparison, I was thinking back to the times I've been beaten up or mugged in the street lately. Both of them seriously affected my attitude for years, and while I can't claim permanent scarring, luckily, they were harrowing enough all the same.
But the thing is, a lot of the details are fading now. I can't even remember which one happened first, what day it was, the year, etc. I do remember one particular detail about one of them rather vividly: the helplessness I felt as one of the gang left me and joined the circle surrounding my brother, and all I did was watch as they fought with him instead. But the rest is kind of blurring into nothingness. Similarly for the other incident, where I can no longer remember who it was who beat me up, even though at the time I was able to confidently identify him.
I really don't want to turn this thread into a story about me, but the basic truth of the matter is that memory does not work the way you think it does if you expect Ford to be able to recall all the details of what happened before and after. Only the truth of the event, and the emotional impact, can be expected to remain.
It's therefore a nonsense to argue that Blasey Ford must be lying because she can't remember how she got to the place or from it. There's no reason to expect her to remember these things.
The pay-off, of course, is that if this case were ever to come before a court of law then the lack of detail in the story has to count against a conviction. But we aren't in a court of law. This is about deciding who to allow to make the laws of the country, and I would think it stands to reason that the lawmakers of the US should be held to the highest standards of behaviour and accountability. The very nature of this story, and Kavanaugh's response to it, damages his credibility and fails to meet those high standards, does it not?
Most people, and even most Supreme Court nominees, don't even have whispers of this sort of thing. Neil Gorsuch, whatever else you think of his role in swinging the Court to the right, never faced these allegations, so it's a nonsense to assume that they are just deployed as weapons whenever political foes feel like it. Of course, the Democrats tried to block the nomination in other ways, for political reasons, but there again that was their job as the opposition, and it's sadly part and parcel of modern US politics.
Regardless of the specifics, then, it is errant nonsense to claim, as AuntLydia does, that the memory of a traumatic event must be perfect or else it didn't happen. Anyone who thinks so understands neither memory nor trauma.
Also, I'm not sure what it means to be "fair". We all have our biases and opinions. I reached mine after watching the Senate hearing in full, seeing both sides of the argument play out.
It's only after having listened to both sides, and gave them a full hearing, that I reached my opinions of the two.
It's only after having listened to both sides, and gave them a full hearing, that I reached my opinions of the two.
Jim I am so glad you have written as you have about memory not working the way we think it does because you are right. I have been sitting here thinking about what you said and relating it to something that happened to me many many years ago and your post has actually made me feel a little better after so long. Sorry I can't be more specific but thank you.
I am sorry that you have such painful memories and glad that your have had some help
It must be the day: I was rung up by s/o who thought I might be dead and we fell to discussing mutual events 30 y ago
and you are right - I felt different about a few of the topics we covered, and it IS an odd feeling.
mainly about our reaction then and now to being bullied
and we both determined not to do it to other people
It must be the day: I was rung up by s/o who thought I might be dead and we fell to discussing mutual events 30 y ago
and you are right - I felt different about a few of the topics we covered, and it IS an odd feeling.
mainly about our reaction then and now to being bullied
and we both determined not to do it to other people
jim360
//I don't believe you for a second, but I'm glad that you haven't had the chance to realise how wrong you are. Memory doesn't work the way you think it does//
you have no idea what has happened to me or how I've remembered it so don't assume.
I was groped when I was 15 ( 45 years ago) by someone old enough to be my granddad. I remember it like it was yesterday, what I was doing, how it affected me, what happened after, it how I got home... Maybe I just have a better memory than you. Frankly I won't lose any sleep over what an anonymous poster on a forum believes or doesn't believe.
//I don't believe you for a second, but I'm glad that you haven't had the chance to realise how wrong you are. Memory doesn't work the way you think it does//
you have no idea what has happened to me or how I've remembered it so don't assume.
I was groped when I was 15 ( 45 years ago) by someone old enough to be my granddad. I remember it like it was yesterday, what I was doing, how it affected me, what happened after, it how I got home... Maybe I just have a better memory than you. Frankly I won't lose any sleep over what an anonymous poster on a forum believes or doesn't believe.
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