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The road to common sense is paved with tenners.
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This whole process was never going to be a cakewalk, which in itself raised issues which would end in a verbal bun fight. Still, hopefully not many tiers were shed by those who made a stand and everybody will get their slice.......
10:55 Wed 10th Oct 2018
“The problem here is that people need to understand that bigotry is NOT enshrined in law.”
A funny old thing, bigotry. One definition:
“A stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.”
So, in this instance, the bakers believe that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. The customer, however, believes that same-sex marriages are acceptable. Both hold equally valid views. Each cannot see the other’s opinion as being valid or reasonable. So who of them is the bigot? My own view is that neither of them is. They hold different opinions and to label either of them as bigots is to fail to understand viewpoints other than your own because it automatically assumes that one or other is “right”. (i.e., you’re bigoted. As I said, a funny old thing).
“Last week the same people wanted to do away with the presumption of innocence and Jury Trials.”
The vast majority of criminal trials in the UK are held without a jury, spicey. 95% of all criminal prosecutions are seen to a conclusion in the Magistrates’ Court. People facing “summary” offences (who form the vast majority) and who plead Not Guilty there are tried by either three “lay” Magistrates or a District Judge sitting alone. They have no right to a jury trial. Unjustified hysteria seems to set in when jury trials seem threatened. However, I digress.
“We're stuck with it now - service providers everywhere now have a legal basis to refuse service to gay people if they want to, so long as they just insist that it's the idea rather than the person.”
No they can’t.
“Have you actually read the judgement ?”
Yes I have. All of it. From your remark above it makes me doubt that you have.
A funny old thing, bigotry. One definition:
“A stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.”
So, in this instance, the bakers believe that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. The customer, however, believes that same-sex marriages are acceptable. Both hold equally valid views. Each cannot see the other’s opinion as being valid or reasonable. So who of them is the bigot? My own view is that neither of them is. They hold different opinions and to label either of them as bigots is to fail to understand viewpoints other than your own because it automatically assumes that one or other is “right”. (i.e., you’re bigoted. As I said, a funny old thing).
“Last week the same people wanted to do away with the presumption of innocence and Jury Trials.”
The vast majority of criminal trials in the UK are held without a jury, spicey. 95% of all criminal prosecutions are seen to a conclusion in the Magistrates’ Court. People facing “summary” offences (who form the vast majority) and who plead Not Guilty there are tried by either three “lay” Magistrates or a District Judge sitting alone. They have no right to a jury trial. Unjustified hysteria seems to set in when jury trials seem threatened. However, I digress.
“We're stuck with it now - service providers everywhere now have a legal basis to refuse service to gay people if they want to, so long as they just insist that it's the idea rather than the person.”
No they can’t.
“Have you actually read the judgement ?”
Yes I have. All of it. From your remark above it makes me doubt that you have.
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