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This whole process was never going to be a cakewalk, which in itself raised issues which would end in a verbal bun fight. Still, hopefully not many tiers were shed by those who made a stand and everybody will get their slice........ I’ll get me coat!
10:55 Wed 10th Oct 2018
I don't think the argument that it was about ideas rather than people makes any sense. The reason they disagree with gay citizens having equal rights to them is because they believe it is wrong to be gay for religious reasons. That is prejudice against people, not an abstract idea. Anyone who now wants to discriminate against a person for religious reasons can now point to this legal precedent and get away with it just fine so long as they insist it's the idea and not the person.
Live with it, it made sense to the five judges.
Anyone who now wants to discriminate against a person for religious reasons can now point to this legal precedent and get away with it just fine so long as they insist it's the idea and not the person.

11:48 Thu 11th Oct 2018


The discrimination was against the message. Get over it.
Spicerack - // Luckily, soon we'll have a decent government in this country that will sweep all this PC nonsense into the dustbin of history where it belongs. //

A 'decent government'?

Do you know a secret alternative to Labour? Do share!!
Well, yes, I'm under no illusions that this will be overturned. We're stuck with it now - service providers everywhere now have a legal basis to refuse service to gay people if they want to, so long as they just insist that it's the idea rather than the person. I can't say that delights me.
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Well, yes, I'm under no illusions that this will be overturned. We're stuck with it now - service providers everywhere now have a legal basis to refuse service to gay people if they want to, so long as they just insist that it's the idea rather than the person. I can't say that delights me.


Have you actually read the judgement ?
How could they have discriminated against him when, in one article I read, it said he had used the bakery before.

If they had been discriminatory they wouldn’t have served him previously.

Some people have too much time and chips on their shoulders.

Didn’t Burt and Ernie get outed by their creator recently?
I have, yes.
I have no doubt you read it, your problem is that you did not understand it.
Why did you ask me then?
Kromo - // Well, yes, I'm under no illusions that this will be overturned. We're stuck with it now - service providers everywhere now have a legal basis to refuse service to gay people if they want to, so long as they just insist that it's the idea rather than the person. I can't say that delights me. //

They have always had that legal basis.

Any shop can refuse to serve any customer, and is not obliged to give a reason - that's the law.

If the business owner feels they have to make an issue of their faith in order to refuse service, then they must accept the fallout that follows such a choice.
I will say this once more.
This bakery was not targeted, he went to this bakery because it was recommended by the girls in the office and is round the corner from our office. We had no idea they are a 'Christian bakery' its not like there is a ruddy great cross or fish attached to the wall.
I know that you can make cakes with cartoon characters at home but I thought that you couldn't sell them because of copyright laws.
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I will say this once more.
This bakery was not targeted, he went to this bakery because it was recommended by the girls in the office and is round the corner from our office. We had no idea they are a 'Christian bakery' its not like there is a ruddy great cross or fish attached to the wall.


12:37 Thu 11th Oct 2018 .


Is that the royal we,lol. Apparently their views were well known according to press reports. Targeted , certainly.
For crying out loud it's not the contents of this thread that I am fed up but the constant 'copying' of other poster replies. I find it tedious and irritating. Surely we can all read and keep up with the replies.
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Yes its the royal we - as I was there! I worked with him.
/ Apparently their views were well known according to press reports. Targeted , certainly/
Believe everything you read in the press do you?
I think that you refusing to accept the truth over the alleged targeting show's more about you than it does Gareth.
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I believe the truth as perceived in the press rather than just heresay from an AB member
Rightoh then.

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