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Tommy Robinson's Case Referred To The Attorney General.
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Will he now be allowed the freedom to speak openly in a higher court?
Will he now be allowed the freedom to speak openly in a higher court?
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"Please follow the link to Andrew Lawton's article. PA journalists standing right next to him in court today cold-bloodedly agreed to lie. Employees of the BBC, Sky News, PA etc. really are the enemies of the people. We need to start treating them as such.
They think we're fascist scum. For them, lying about what we say is a perfectly respectable thing to do. They 'know' we're fascist scum so any misrepresentation is OK provided it has the right effect. Sky News' lies about what Tommy Robinson said in his interview are still there on their web site. It's time we started returning the compliment, not treating them politely as neutral observers. They stopped being that a long time ago.
And we need to stop paying the BBC licence tax. It's perfectly legal to watch DVDs and non-live TV without one. Stop paying them to teach people to hate us. I stopped five years ago. Now, on the rare occasions I see the news on at a friend's house, I don't know how people can stand the wall-to-wall propaganda and lies."
PA = Public Affairs I think.
"Please follow the link to Andrew Lawton's article. PA journalists standing right next to him in court today cold-bloodedly agreed to lie. Employees of the BBC, Sky News, PA etc. really are the enemies of the people. We need to start treating them as such.
They think we're fascist scum. For them, lying about what we say is a perfectly respectable thing to do. They 'know' we're fascist scum so any misrepresentation is OK provided it has the right effect. Sky News' lies about what Tommy Robinson said in his interview are still there on their web site. It's time we started returning the compliment, not treating them politely as neutral observers. They stopped being that a long time ago.
And we need to stop paying the BBC licence tax. It's perfectly legal to watch DVDs and non-live TV without one. Stop paying them to teach people to hate us. I stopped five years ago. Now, on the rare occasions I see the news on at a friend's house, I don't know how people can stand the wall-to-wall propaganda and lies."
PA = Public Affairs I think.
Found a little bit of Andrew Lawton's comment tucked away in the ether.
"Before he walked into the Old Bailey for what was supposed to be a contempt of court hearing, Tommy Robinson said the media were the “enemy of the people.”
It was a line that got uproarious applause from the growing crowd of supporters.
I was inside at the time, with a front row seat to how some members of the press talk about Robinson when they think everyone agrees with them.
To be clear, and as I wrote Sunday, my working visit to the United Kingdom this week is out of a commitment to facts and fairness, not a support for Tommy Robinson. That open-mindedness wasn’t shared by at least two members of the media covering the case.
While I was preparing my own coverage before the judge’s arrival, two reporters were conversing behind me.
Both reporters—a man and a woman—were from the Press Association (PA), a British wire service. They aren’t columnists, but news reporters whose work fills the pages of publications across the United Kingdom.
I would normally not share details of private conservations—especially those in which I was not a part. In this case, the conversation was taking place surrounded by people, with no attempt to be discrete. The reporters just assumed everyone around them shared their worldview.
They mocked and chuckled at the “enemy of the people” comment, even asking a couple of arriving journalists from other outlets if they knew they were enemies of Britons.
Over the next few minutes, the bias became even more apparent.
The male reporter had seen commentator Ezra Levant outside and remarked to his colleague that Levant had apparently broken an unspecified law.
“He needs to be arrested,” he said in a markedly non-jovial tone. “He’s whipped up hate.”
The reporter didn’t extrapolate and his colleague didn’t respond.
Moments later, the female reporter said there was no ambiguity about Robinson’s guilt.
“He is in contempt of court,” she said. “There’s not really any doubt.”
Of course, when the presiding judge made the decision to refer the case to the attorney general, it was because he thought there actually was enough doubt and complexity to warrant a fuller hearing.
As the two reporters discussed the size of the crowd outside, they openly agreed to downplay it.
One of the reporters had been told by a member of the law enforcement team that there were at that point 1,500 people outside.
After some banter, the PA reporters agreed they would say “hundreds.” The reason was to not “give it credit,” the female said.
These quotes are direct and were transcribed either while they were being uttered or seconds later. They also didn’t come to be secondhand—I heard them myself."
"Before he walked into the Old Bailey for what was supposed to be a contempt of court hearing, Tommy Robinson said the media were the “enemy of the people.”
It was a line that got uproarious applause from the growing crowd of supporters.
I was inside at the time, with a front row seat to how some members of the press talk about Robinson when they think everyone agrees with them.
To be clear, and as I wrote Sunday, my working visit to the United Kingdom this week is out of a commitment to facts and fairness, not a support for Tommy Robinson. That open-mindedness wasn’t shared by at least two members of the media covering the case.
While I was preparing my own coverage before the judge’s arrival, two reporters were conversing behind me.
Both reporters—a man and a woman—were from the Press Association (PA), a British wire service. They aren’t columnists, but news reporters whose work fills the pages of publications across the United Kingdom.
I would normally not share details of private conservations—especially those in which I was not a part. In this case, the conversation was taking place surrounded by people, with no attempt to be discrete. The reporters just assumed everyone around them shared their worldview.
They mocked and chuckled at the “enemy of the people” comment, even asking a couple of arriving journalists from other outlets if they knew they were enemies of Britons.
Over the next few minutes, the bias became even more apparent.
The male reporter had seen commentator Ezra Levant outside and remarked to his colleague that Levant had apparently broken an unspecified law.
“He needs to be arrested,” he said in a markedly non-jovial tone. “He’s whipped up hate.”
The reporter didn’t extrapolate and his colleague didn’t respond.
Moments later, the female reporter said there was no ambiguity about Robinson’s guilt.
“He is in contempt of court,” she said. “There’s not really any doubt.”
Of course, when the presiding judge made the decision to refer the case to the attorney general, it was because he thought there actually was enough doubt and complexity to warrant a fuller hearing.
As the two reporters discussed the size of the crowd outside, they openly agreed to downplay it.
One of the reporters had been told by a member of the law enforcement team that there were at that point 1,500 people outside.
After some banter, the PA reporters agreed they would say “hundreds.” The reason was to not “give it credit,” the female said.
These quotes are direct and were transcribed either while they were being uttered or seconds later. They also didn’t come to be secondhand—I heard them myself."
Spicerack
Wow thanks for that statement SR, it was like a breath of fresh wafting over the whole proceedings, it can't be faulted.
However it will be interesting to see if andy hughe's paint has now dried, so that he may then find the time to read it himself, so that we can all read his slant on it.
Wow thanks for that statement SR, it was like a breath of fresh wafting over the whole proceedings, it can't be faulted.
However it will be interesting to see if andy hughe's paint has now dried, so that he may then find the time to read it himself, so that we can all read his slant on it.
The Daily Telegraph piece today looks like it was cooked up by one of the hacks referred to in Togo's links.
'Hundreds' not thousands of Robinson's supporters were in attendance. The case was sent back 'over a technicality' (clearly the hack's own phrase, not the judge's).
Then there's the disgusting description of the protesters themselves - 'drank from cans of strong lager... mainly white, middle aged men... praising Donald Trump... as the far-Right activist took to the stage... one woman who had been drinking cans of Stella Artois was ushered to the side, where she threw up'
It's a pity Steve Bird (the hack) couldn't save some of his vitriol for the groomers - he is very restrained when reporting on them.
It seems the concerned, decent people mentioned in Togo's link got lost somewhere along the line.
I must look out for more 'journalism' from Mr Bird.
'Hundreds' not thousands of Robinson's supporters were in attendance. The case was sent back 'over a technicality' (clearly the hack's own phrase, not the judge's).
Then there's the disgusting description of the protesters themselves - 'drank from cans of strong lager... mainly white, middle aged men... praising Donald Trump... as the far-Right activist took to the stage... one woman who had been drinking cans of Stella Artois was ushered to the side, where she threw up'
It's a pity Steve Bird (the hack) couldn't save some of his vitriol for the groomers - he is very restrained when reporting on them.
It seems the concerned, decent people mentioned in Togo's link got lost somewhere along the line.
I must look out for more 'journalism' from Mr Bird.
SparklyKid - // In my view, what he says is unpalatable, not because what he says is untrue,
What, AH, has he said that is not true ???? //
Please re-read my post - I have not said one way or the other whether what 'Tommy Robinson' said was true or not - merely posed the question.
For the record, I don't believe I have ever taken issue with what 'Tommy Robinson' says, merely the way he goes about saying it.
What, AH, has he said that is not true ???? //
Please re-read my post - I have not said one way or the other whether what 'Tommy Robinson' said was true or not - merely posed the question.
For the record, I don't believe I have ever taken issue with what 'Tommy Robinson' says, merely the way he goes about saying it.
Spicerack - // Well done, Spicerack. Pick the bones out of that, Islamophile ABers. //
To be clear -
Islamophile dictionary definition | islamophile defined - YourDictionary
www.yourdictionary.com › Dictionary Definitions › islamophile
islamophile. Noun. (plural Islamophiles) One (especially one who is not an adherent of Islam) who loves Islam, Muslims or Islamic culture.
I can honestly say I don't know of anyone who posts regularly on the AB who fits that description - maybe you know different?
To be clear -
Islamophile dictionary definition | islamophile defined - YourDictionary
www.yourdictionary.com › Dictionary Definitions › islamophile
islamophile. Noun. (plural Islamophiles) One (especially one who is not an adherent of Islam) who loves Islam, Muslims or Islamic culture.
I can honestly say I don't know of anyone who posts regularly on the AB who fits that description - maybe you know different?
AOG - // However it will be interesting to see if andy hughe's paint has now dried, so that he may then find the time to read it himself, so that we can all read his slant on it. //
I have read it, and am happy to offer my view -
For all its serious wordiness, 'Tommy Robinson's diatribe boils down to two or three individual points somewhat over-expressed, these being -
"I am just a member of the public drawing attention to what I believe is being ignored."
There 'Tommy Robinson' as a valid point.
It is my contention, and always has been, that whatever his original motivation may have been, it has long since been overtaken by his increasing view of himself that only he can see what is going on, and it falls to him alone to do something about it. I believe both those assumptions to be flawed and devoid of merit.
// I did nothing wrong and was wrongly accused and imprisoned. //
There again, he may well have a valid point.
// I am a journalist and should be treated in the same way fellow journalists have been treated in similar Contempt cases. //
Whatever else he may or may not be, Tommy Robinson is not a journalist. Journalists are trained and experienced individual employed by reputable news outlets to present balanced viewpoints.
Standing on the street talking into your own video recorder does not make you a journalist, any more than taking a snapshot of the view from your dining room window makes you a photographer.
And in conclusion, I believe that 'Tommy Robinson's view that he is a thorn in the side of the establishment, and a martyr to free speech being gagged for his unpalatable truths, is a pure figment of his seriously vivid imagination - probably the same imagination that leads him to think that only he understands what criminal activity is, and only he can put things right.
I have read it, and am happy to offer my view -
For all its serious wordiness, 'Tommy Robinson's diatribe boils down to two or three individual points somewhat over-expressed, these being -
"I am just a member of the public drawing attention to what I believe is being ignored."
There 'Tommy Robinson' as a valid point.
It is my contention, and always has been, that whatever his original motivation may have been, it has long since been overtaken by his increasing view of himself that only he can see what is going on, and it falls to him alone to do something about it. I believe both those assumptions to be flawed and devoid of merit.
// I did nothing wrong and was wrongly accused and imprisoned. //
There again, he may well have a valid point.
// I am a journalist and should be treated in the same way fellow journalists have been treated in similar Contempt cases. //
Whatever else he may or may not be, Tommy Robinson is not a journalist. Journalists are trained and experienced individual employed by reputable news outlets to present balanced viewpoints.
Standing on the street talking into your own video recorder does not make you a journalist, any more than taking a snapshot of the view from your dining room window makes you a photographer.
And in conclusion, I believe that 'Tommy Robinson's view that he is a thorn in the side of the establishment, and a martyr to free speech being gagged for his unpalatable truths, is a pure figment of his seriously vivid imagination - probably the same imagination that leads him to think that only he understands what criminal activity is, and only he can put things right.
"A journalist is a person who collects, writes, or distributes news or other current information to the public. A journalist's work is called journalism. A journalist can work with general issues or specialize in certain issues."
He may not have done the book learnin' but he does the stuff noted above.
Maybe 'self-styled journalist' or 'Blogger' would soothe your injured professional pride, Mr Hughes.
He may not have done the book learnin' but he does the stuff noted above.
Maybe 'self-styled journalist' or 'Blogger' would soothe your injured professional pride, Mr Hughes.
douglas - // Maybe 'self-styled journalist' or 'Blogger' would soothe your injured professional pride, Mr Hughes. //
I have no professional pride at stake here - injured or otherwise - I am not a news journalist, I am a music journalist.
I am confident that in my own chosen field, I could write 'Tommy Robinson' off the park on a bad day, but he seems to confine his antics to stirring up social unrest and racial hatred, and keeps away from an area where he could do a lot less harm.
I have no professional pride at stake here - injured or otherwise - I am not a news journalist, I am a music journalist.
I am confident that in my own chosen field, I could write 'Tommy Robinson' off the park on a bad day, but he seems to confine his antics to stirring up social unrest and racial hatred, and keeps away from an area where he could do a lot less harm.
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