Fracking

[Stargazer]

It looks as though there are rumblings underground daily of what might become actual earthquakes

[Togo]

DT. The massive windmills and solar panels consume massive amounts of energy even before they are any use whatsoever. When they are it is not a guaranteed source of energy. The windmills also need(especially the ones out at sea) a huge maintenance schedule that is ongoing day and night. I watch it happening from where I live., and the solar panels cover acres of precious land that is virtually a sterile environment, and again need very careful waste handling processes at the end of their relatively short useful life. No such thing as a free lunch.

[sunny-dave]

Fracking in the (frankly overcrowded) UK makes no sense - even if you rubbish the 'earthquake' data, it risks poisoning ground water for aeons to come.

But (in an increasingly hostile world) we need energy security - and should have built the new generation of Nuclear Generating plants by now - but pathetic non-scientists in successive (lack of) Governments have bottled that decision over and over again.

It could be a cold dark winter ...

[mushroom25]

//Cost and ease should come 2nd and 3rd to environmental consequences //

funny none of the proponents of wind power are saying too much about the enormous toxic lake growing in China, as a result of mining for neodymium, needed for the magnets to make turbines work.

[Togo]

Off course all this brouhaha itself is brought on by what itself is false science...….the Global warming, oceans boiling myth. Which has of course become a great money spinner for the doom mongers and their disciples. Meanwhile back in the real world.

//Another global warming scare story bites the dust: fragile islands and atolls in the Pacific are not sinking beneath the waves because of global warming. In fact, they are doing just fine. The bad news (only bad for alarmists, of course) comes in a study by Virginie Duvat of the University of La Rochelle-CNRS, France, titled ‘A global assessment of atoll island planform changes over the past decades’. It surveyed 30 Pacific and Indian Ocean atolls, including 709 islands, and found that 90 per cent have either remained stable or have grown in the last few decades.//
//But for decades, the sinking Maldives/drowning Tuvalu scare story has formed a key part of the alarmists’ litany of climate-change-induced woes. It even prompted the United Nations, in one of its more absurd flights of fancy, to predict that by 2010 there would be 50 million climate refugees – driven from their homes by rising sea levels and shrinking fresh water supplies.//

As requested. :))

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/30/study-climate-change-is-not-drowning-pacific-islands/

[spathiphyllum]

Like nuclear power and wind farms, once the initial metal is mined then off they go. The issue with nuclear power is the giant waste product.. and need to keep resourcing this metal. Once wind farms are up and going only maintenance is a issue. No further waste or product. This is important.

I do not think nuclear power plants should be on UK soil. We're too small of an island in my personal opinion. God forbid we ever get flooded or have a tsunami (not probable.. but it is possible) we'd end up like fukashima

[retrocop]

Spath
The way you exaggerate you would report the wake of a Pedalo as a Tsunami.

[Togo]

Another strange dichotomy to consider whilst we are on the subject. The hand wringers and noodle knitters all like to flag up their green credentials and hug a tree save the planet mindset...……….but, just very but...…..are all in favour of concreting over vast areas of lush green countryside to build housing and roads to accommodate and enable the millions of immigrants who flood in from countries that have no such precious natural and National treasures. Strange World.

[mushroom25]

//Once wind farms are up and going only maintenance is a issue.//

actually, maintenance represents only 26% of the cost of operating a wind turbine. also to factor in are insurance, land rent, and auxiliary power costs. plus a good quality turbine will last no more than 10-13 years. expect your 2MW turbine to cost you £100k per year to run.

[Togo]

From where I sit, Mushroom, I watch a vessel which has been out there for pretty much 24hrs a day for weeks now, at sea doing the maintenance in the windfarm off the N Wales coast. Last week I even witnessed one of the towers have the blades removed and either replaced or repaired. Or perhaps lowered to allow work on the bearings or mechanical components in the top hub. Quite an operation I would think.

[mushroom25]

yep. generating electricity from the wind involves a low speed-high torque activity, which places heavy service demands on components, including bearings. the gearboxes also tend to run hot and if not kept clean will leak oil due to clogged breathers.

[DTCwordfan]

agree with that, Togo, Truro population 26000, 6000 homes being built or to be built - no consideration of planning as to schools, hossies and medics, utilities, environment, etc etc - but then Truro and environs (St Agnes to St Just in Roseland has nearly 4000 empty houses (not holiday lets) that could be done up and recycled....this should be the priority and incentivised not keeping Barratt Homes new-builds in business.

[spathiphyllum]

All of this, and many issues, lay with the current government. That isn't to say a better one is available, but it is to say that i personally have no say on these matters. My opinions are exactly that, opinions.

[mushroom25]

//i personally have no say on these matters.//

not exactly true that - everyone has the ability to vote for those who would represent you, either at local or national level; if a particular issue vexes, then find out from your each of your candidates where they stand. sadly (I make no suggestion you number here), too many voters make no effort to find out what the candidates truly represent, instead choosing to vote for the goat with the correct colour rosette.

[New Judge]

"...too many voters make no effort to find out what the candidates truly represent,"

They truly represent the manifesto of the party whose rosette they wear. Their personal feelings are of no consequence. This leaves voters in most parts of the country with effectively two (or very occasionally three) choices of candidate who stand a realistic chance of being elected. Until the electorate is weaned off party politics (which is never going to happen) it will always be thus.

[fiction-factory]

>The hand wringers and noodle knitters all like to flag up their green credentials and hug a tree save the planet mindset...……….but, just very but...…..are all in favour of concreting over vast areas of lush green countryside to build housing and roads to accommodate and enable the millions of immigrants who flood in from countries that have no such precious natural and National treasures.

Did you make that up? Can you give an example of where these noodle knitters have been in favour of concreting over teh countryside to build houses for immigrants?

Some on here have become a parody of themselves churning out such nonsense.

[Togo]

//Did you make that up?//

Accurate mockery always was the best criticism. :))

[retrocop]

//Did you make that up? Can you give an example of where these noodle knitters have been in favour of concreting over teh countryside to build houses for immigrants? //

http://wrecsamplaid.blogspot.com/2015/01/plans-for-over-900-houses-in-llay-and.html
Plaid cymru councellor said their is NO local need for all this affordable housing foisted on us.
I can assume he is implying people from elsewhere,other than Wales or the UK even.
Plenty of other examples I can C&P..

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/75-plots-devon-land-earmarked-337478

[DTCwordfan]

it's all part of the economic change...immigration into low cost/rented property, those folk who were there move out and up.....more importantly to this thread, they all need gas for cooking and central heating/water.......so where's the incremental gas going to come from? Sphat's hot air perhaps? (sorry Sphat but you are symbolic of those like you preaching to the converted on your side).....