Whoopee! A Third Brexit Option

[rich47]

It is good news that Theresa has now conceded that there are three options.
Bad deal, no deal or ( the obviously best option) no Brexit.
Who could ask for anything more?

[Bigbad]

And I don’t agree with all this anti-democracy/stay in the EU/have a second vote stuff.

“Leave supporters were unable to grasp….”
I think most grasped the facts, so please don’t be so damned patronising. This coupled with too much feet dragging, without which the timetable would have been more than adequate.

[emmie]

but we didn't vote for no Brexit, at least i didn't.

[jim360]

I'll be as patronising as I like if you keep missing the obvious. Theresa May is right to say that this was the best she -- that anyone -- could get. To think otherwise is nothing other than self-delusion, often helped by having nothing whatever to do with actually trying to deliver it.

[emmie]

but it sounds as though its one big fudge, and not to anyone's taste.

[jim360]

Did you watch Theresa's statement last night, by the way, emmie? So many things about it were remarkable -- one other thing I found odd was how depressed she sounded about the choice that awaits us, while simultaneously trying to sing the praises of what she's managed to get.

It's clear that no-one is happy with it, not even those who backed it.

[Bigbad]

You really are up yourself, aren’t you Jim?
Mrs. May has rolled over and played dead at just about everything.
Any one with guts would have faced down the EU months ago.

I can’t sit on here all day.
I’ll check back for more of your patronising “my opinion is different to yours, so I must be right” bs later.

[emmie]

no i didn't watch it, must admit that by the time they came out i was half asleep.

[dannyk13]

Jim, check this link which sets out why many people are unhappy.



https://order-order.com/2018/11/15/shailesh-vara-resigns-northern-ireland-minister-mays-deal/

[emmie]

perhaps i should have done, but generally politics doesn't grab me, but this is important and our future as a Sovereign State is at stake.

[jim360]

All the people with guts were also not sat at the table. It's easy to be brave when you don't have any responsibility.

This isn't about "I must be right". But watching what's happened over the last two years, I don't have any sympathy with the idea that it's all Theresa May's fault because she's a traitor. Incompetent, maybe, but at least she actually tried to deliver something, unlike all the other people "with guts" who ran away at the first opportunity.

[emmie]

that is what NJ has been saying all along, that resignation letter spells out what many feel.

[jim360]

Thanks, danny, but *I'm* unhappy with this deal, and I can also see why Brexiteers would be unhappy with it. It satisfies nobody, achieves nothing, and essentially confirms the worst fears of Remainers when they voted that way.

[emmie]

so where are we in the next few days, weeks, it;s got to go through Parliament, will it do so as it is.

[naomi24]

Jim, //The main problem with your analysis, OG, is that most Brexiteers had nothing to do with the deal at all. In particular, Farage, Rees-Mogg, and other cheerleaders have had no responsibility whatsoever, preferring to heckle from the sidelines where they could say anything they liked without having to face the consequences.

'Preferring'? Did they have a choice? Were they invited to the negotiating table?

[dannyk13]

Jim, May is a remainer who has acquiesced to the EU at every stage of the negotiations.

[emmie]

so we are nowhere?

[mushroom25]

//there are three options.
Bad deal, no deal or ( the obviously best option) no Brexit. //

I've read through this thread. I've searched the news sites. I can't find any reference to "the third way". I might just be thick - in which case can someone provide a link to where the government is advocating "no Brexit"?

[jim360]

Then let me pick Boris Johnson, David Davis, Michael Gove, Liam Fox, Raab...

All of them, to one extent or another, have either run from the table or hidden behind Theresa May. Blame her if you must -- but after all that "no deal is better than a bad deal", or "Brexit means Brexit", "Red, White and Blue", Leave means Leave, "we will NEVER hold a second referendum", "we ARE leaving"...

I'm curious what exactly else you expected her to do and say? There hasn't been a more vocal supporters of leaving no matter what, and that's *still* not good enough, it seems.

The truth is that she turned up to the table with a Seven High, but had to bluff anyway. Of course she was going to lose. Nobody could have done better with that garbage.

[gulliver1]

Theresa ,is now saying if this deal is not accepted then a Second Referendum will be another option ?.

[emmie]

this is not a game of cards, but a fully functioning mess, the leave people didn't vote for it, nor did the remainers, so i say again,what next.