May Says It Won't Be A Better Deal

[emmie]

if she goes, who would take her place at this late stage, and if the deal doesn't get through Parliament what happens next.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46250607

[dannyk13]

No deal is better than the one she is proposing.

[emmie]

Dominic Raab: "I've got huge respect for her... it's not flim flam" that doesn't mean he supports the deal though does it

[Jackdaw33]

1) Anyone but her
2) No deal(best option)

[dannyk13]

Raab has publicly criticised May for not standing up to the EU.

[New Judge]

"Raab has publicly criticised May for not standing up to the EU."

Indeed. And that's the issue with what has been going on for the past two years. Among the many, many reasons why people voted to leave, high on the list was that they were fed up with being bullied and told what they must and mustn't do by a bunch of unelected foreign bureaucrats. What happened in the "negotiations"? The UK team gets bullied and told what they must and mustn't do by a bunch of unelected foreign bureaucrats.

[emmie]

so if she went who can take over at this late stage?
no one seems to want to make a leadership challenge, and i can't see it happening. This is a bad deal all round, but many don't want a No Deal, then this could get through Parliament.

[dannyk13]

I don't think that he would make a good Pm but Boris wouldn't take any guff from the EU.

[Old_Geezer]

'No deal' is better than the one she is proposing. Heck even never getting out was better than the one she's proposing. All she boasts of is the basics that should have been a given without trying, and she calls the trap of getting stuck in the EU, a backstop, an insurance that won't be needed, honest, trust me I'm a politician. A remainer's insurance maybe.

These things are fluid so one can never say for sure but if the EU accepts the deal, which is by no means sure, and parliament rejects it, it's up to the honour of the House to do what is right. Staying in can't honourably be an option as they've been told to get us out and they are thus responsible for doing so. Renegotiation may be suggested but the EU doesn't sound keen and would probably try to bill us if it delayed exit, neither of which we want. So the only reasonable option left is to accept what the EU seem to have been playing for all along, no-deal and just go. Take the hit and rebuild anew.

[Old_Geezer]

Almost any of the leaver big names could take over and do better. With a single option left it's simply a case of getting on with it. No doubt all authorities and businesses, having had two years pre-warning, have done their risk assessments and are prepared. Folk will stand rather than allow her back in again. I think my preference would be for Jacob Rees-Mogg, despite his protestations. He seems to have his finger on the Brexit button.

[emmie]

OG, seems like the best option, tell them no one wants it and leave.

[emmie]

Boris is a good bet, but i think JRM would be a better candidate. But they all seem poleaxed for want of a better word.

[retrocop]

Now moderateTories are threatening to scupper Brexit if this proposed deal is not accepted by hardliners.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/moderate-tories-warn-anti-eu-190508211.html

[emmie]

retro
that's not good, so we could be forced to accept the deal as it is?

[dannyk13]

And how are they going to do that?

[KARL]

I decided to leave the local bowling club, they plus some of my family urged me not to and ctually the club said they would like me to stay - I resigned anyway because I had failed to make my own rules. For what seemed a very long time thereafter I tried to negotiate with them that I could still go along and bowl my own way and, of course, use the pavilion too - they said only members could. It now seems I cannot be any part of the club or use any of the facilities, I will have to either find another club to join or go to as a guest from time to time - I will naturally tell any other clubs on which terms I intend to make use of them and that in any case I will not pay a penny.

My troubles are all the fault of club management plus, perhaps most of all, those who advised me not to leave my old club. Life is so unfair, except I think I will create my own club, one like my ancestors used to run - you know, they raided places abroad, occupied them and exploited the locals, then invited our relations to keep them down and extract wealth from the place, it was for the good of that backward lot anyway, to be civilised a bit. My ancestors didn't let some foreigners push them around, no Sir......

[emmie]

no idea, it's why i posted, am interested enough, scared enough that this deal will go through, maybe if its tweaked a little but essentially as it is.

[KARL]

*actually

[Old_Geezer]

The Tories are already at a low appoval rating given the split in the country AND the pig's ear May has achieved. If moderates opt to try to sink Brexit there may be no recovery for them nor their party. Folk will know their MPs have no regard for democracy nor public opinion and names will be noted for infamy and remembered. Anyway, no moderate can possibly want us further/tighter tied to an organisation the public are rightly sick of. It's likely all bluff.

[emmie]

and if it isn't all bluff, this isn't poker, but our country future we are talking about.

[Old_Geezer]

Invalid comparisons are not a great deal of use. They only muddy understanding of the situation. Social clubs don't have incentives to retain important individual members like empire builders do. One social club member is much like another, and there's no downside to seeing a particular one leave. Social clubs don't insist on the right to rule your life, either.