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May Says It Won't Be A Better Deal
if she goes, who would take her place at this late stage, and if the deal doesn't get through Parliament what happens next.
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As pretty and amusing as it is, your allegory is incongruous, Karl. Most of the people who voted to leave the “bowls club” have no wish to retain any of its benefits or use any of its facilities. The reason the current mess has arisen is because our illustrious leaders who have been “negotiati
15:31 Sun 18th Nov 2018
Well I would vote for the deal Danny if I was an MP. Because it is the will it the people made flesh. Warts and all.
The only thing that would stop me would be the thought : why am I supporting Brexit if Brexiters no longer do! What the ultras on here and elsewhere want is unobtainable. Quite simply. That is the truth whether you like it or not.
The only thing that would stop me would be the thought : why am I supporting Brexit if Brexiters no longer do! What the ultras on here and elsewhere want is unobtainable. Quite simply. That is the truth whether you like it or not.
What about it is untrue? This is the deal on offer, and nobody has been brave enough to step up and change it. Sure, they moan, and rant, and rave, and criticise, but they never take responsibility. Most of them jumped ship, rather than fight to change.
The EU ain't moving. The deal ain't changing. And no deal ain't happening. Your truth is fiction.
The EU ain't moving. The deal ain't changing. And no deal ain't happening. Your truth is fiction.
The UK will perhaps be able to establish a fringe activity with some admirers watching from outside (spectator sport is a pastime). The question will remain whether the UK will provide an internal environment, with or without external co-operation (we will not know for some time how long the UK will be drifting on its floe seeking "great new opportunities and deals" before any emerge as useful and productive), one that raises it from its current mediocre standing in international comparisons of social criteria (birth survival, health care, education, life expectancy, gender/other socio-economic equality, etc., etc.) - look at the lists available (although not generally in the UK press which lands the UK at No.40 in its usefulness).
The point of the negotiations is that the UK is asking for a deal, concessions, with/from an organisation which it is leaving. To suggest that it is in a position to bring about its wishes by sending someone different to dictate is a somewhat curious notion.
Personally, although it is currently astonishingly tolerant (sometimes even proud) of living what elsewhere are considered rather backward lives, my assessment of today's UK population is that it will not long celebrate being consigned to the status quo, far less a perceptible deterioration in living standards and survival, as may happen. Maybe I am wrong, maybe the UK's people will continue to be champion moaners and soldiering on - maybe it is an improvement of sorts to go "backward", thus having even more stuff to moan about.
The point of the negotiations is that the UK is asking for a deal, concessions, with/from an organisation which it is leaving. To suggest that it is in a position to bring about its wishes by sending someone different to dictate is a somewhat curious notion.
Personally, although it is currently astonishingly tolerant (sometimes even proud) of living what elsewhere are considered rather backward lives, my assessment of today's UK population is that it will not long celebrate being consigned to the status quo, far less a perceptible deterioration in living standards and survival, as may happen. Maybe I am wrong, maybe the UK's people will continue to be champion moaners and soldiering on - maybe it is an improvement of sorts to go "backward", thus having even more stuff to moan about.
The deal is nothing like Brexit; with the fallback it's actually anti-Brexit. So of course Brexiteers, who believe in Brexit by definition, don't want to touch an anti-Brexit draft deal with a 50' long bargepole. Speaking newspeak and claiming truth is lies, and lies are truth fools no one.
And of course it doesn't need explaining how staying in under EU control without a legitimate way to truly exit, unless the EU allows it, is no deal worth the name. As for stepping up, there are many awaiting the party to have the gumption to remove May, as we type.
And of course it doesn't need explaining how staying in under EU control without a legitimate way to truly exit, unless the EU allows it, is no deal worth the name. As for stepping up, there are many awaiting the party to have the gumption to remove May, as we type.
NJ, It is of course not of any consequence but out of sheer curiosity, since your statement came as a surprise to me, I have been trying to find where your specific branch of rugby stands as a spectator sport when compared with others on a worldwide scale but have not even found "Rugby" (general) on such a list. Can you help me ?
"To suggest that it is in a position to bring about its wishes by sending someone different to dictate is a somewhat curious notion."
I believe you've missed the point. The change gives the EU one last chance to realise what they are causing, both to the departing member and those still left in the EU; and to realise they need to change their stance. No one is forcing them to be more mature/responsible, they have to figure that out by themselves. But maybe those remaining in the EU can apply pressure to not waste this opportunity to help them after we split.
I believe you've missed the point. The change gives the EU one last chance to realise what they are causing, both to the departing member and those still left in the EU; and to realise they need to change their stance. No one is forcing them to be more mature/responsible, they have to figure that out by themselves. But maybe those remaining in the EU can apply pressure to not waste this opportunity to help them after we split.
I think it is you who is missing the point. There is no significant difference between the EU’s negotiators and the countries of the EU. Any differences a few individual governments may have if anything is annoyance that the EU has made too many concessions to the U.K. which, after all, is the sort of unease one might expect. The idea that there are 27 countries out there or even a handful - who might be willing to concede even more is simply more fantasy.
Geezer, I am definitely missing the point. It seems to me that hoping to get one's way through the other party "seeing sense", "being more mature/responsible" and agree to one's demands is immature. If the EU is failing to see what is to be gained by agreeing to the UK's demands, which they up to now have seen as unacceptable/unrealistic, then that is because the UK cannot show that the EU benefits in any worthwhile way - the UK would appear to have come nowhere near to demonstrating that, and not for the want of trying. The UK has chosen to leave and the "no deal" scenario is the default form of leaving - out and stay out (WTO rules, international visa protocol, etc.).
If I understand correctly, the issue is that the UK wants to speed up getting to something other than that and from the outset keep some of the advantages of membership in place - the EU does not agree, as is their prerogative. In reality, I rather think that both parties know full well that the UK's leaving is going to have certain definitive consequences and that moving that pair of goal posts is not going to be easy and will take quite a bit of time. In a sense the UK has walked off with the ball and the others have lost interest in the game and gone home to deal with other things (more important matters ?).
If I understand correctly, the issue is that the UK wants to speed up getting to something other than that and from the outset keep some of the advantages of membership in place - the EU does not agree, as is their prerogative. In reality, I rather think that both parties know full well that the UK's leaving is going to have certain definitive consequences and that moving that pair of goal posts is not going to be easy and will take quite a bit of time. In a sense the UK has walked off with the ball and the others have lost interest in the game and gone home to deal with other things (more important matters ?).
SNP won't back this deal, so what happens then
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