bainbrig, you should apologise to emmie for calling her a liar, however you have proved your point about people coming here not wishing to debate. here's your first contribution to this thread.
"Diddly. The proportion is about 80% who don’t give a $h1t, 20% like you (and me) who do. I find it easiest to let the miseries have the run of threads like these, as you ain’t gonna change their minds! They KNOW they are right."
That was a well reasoned beginning to a debate in anybody's book, so let us continue. You say you give a $h1t about these people, would you mind telling us miseries, does this manifest in actual practical help or are you just talking $h1t?