Are There Benefits To Staying In The Eu

[emmie]

i would like to know, no link..

[ludwig]

// They openly say they don't care what an economic disaster Brexit is for our country, as long as they have a Blue Passport, can have misshapen fruit and veg and can jeer at the French whilst waving Union Jacks they're happy //

Where did they say that? I looked through and couldn't find any mention of people wanting those things.

[kvalidir]

I'm fairly sure you appreciated I was being facetious Ludwig.

My point is it's fine for people to have voted leave, if they examined the whole deal, and considered the wellbeing of the country, but to vote leave on one matter is absurd and less than this country deserves of the people who have a say in it's future.

[naomi24]

kvalidir, I'd hazard a guess that despite their gung-ho posts they, like most other Leavers, considered rather more than sovereignty when they voted. Furthermore I'd hazard a second guess that each is bright enough to have made a measured choice – which, since by your own admission, you were ill-equipped to know what you were voting for, is more than you can say. No?

[SparklyKid]

I love words with all the vowels in the correct order, like abstemious etc, I am sure there is another one or two.

Back to the topic in hand. There are no benefits only expensive drawbacks.

[ludwig]

// I'm fairly sure you appreciated I was being facetious Ludwig. //

Of course, and my point is that this is exactly the kind of disdainful 'Brexiteers are all thick/racist/little Englanders' sneering that proved so counter-productive during the actual campaign.

When people talk about sovereignty it means more than wanting bent bananas. It's about being able to create your own laws, control your own borders, and govern your own destiny.

[naomi24]

But then again, maybe they were being facetious too.

[kvalidir]

I hope they were being facetious Naomi, but anyone who pretends to understand the full ramifications of a leave or remain vote is grossly over egging their knowledge, since the foremost economic experts in the world have no idea either.
I have all the respect in the world for people who weighed everything up and thought on the balance of probability that leave was the right way to vote. just because their opinion is different to mine does not mean I dismiss it (or their intelligence) out of hand. But it is frustrating in the extreme to hear people bragging about making choices based solely on one topic which suits their own personal political and social agenda. I will stand by the fact that if that is true, it's simply poor of them to have done so on such an important matter. x

[naomi24]

kvalidir, but as Ludwig said, sovereignty means more than wanting bent bananas.

[kvalidir]

Of course it does and but that does not diminish people feeling it's okay to throw our economic and international position to the wind in order to pursue that. Surely any right minded person from either 'side' should have considered the ramifications of their vote across all available information, not merely that?

[Atheist]

I understand that Europe does not require bananas to be straight, They're certainly bent in the part of France where I spend much of the summer; and they taste better than the ones we get, too! It's not helpful at all to a sensible discussion to repeat urban myths like this.

[-Talbot-]

One of the advantages of the EU is that they get to decide whose Twitter accounts I can view and whose Twitter account I can't view. That's very good of them... Saves me from reading the unagreeable nasty stuff that... we'll,...the EU has decided is nasty and unagreeable.

[dannyk13]

Atheist, as long as they are not too bent:-
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/en/media/euromyths/bendybananas.html

[naomi24]

Atheist, Ludwig was being … facetious. ;o)

kvalidir, I can’t see where either of them have said it's okay to throw our economic and international position to the wind.

[emmie]

seems like at least on AB there are still plenty of leavers, ones who have indeed weighed up the ramifications of leaving and considered that is what they wanted.

[emmie]

no matter the vote on the 11th we, that is none of us are going to get what was promised, a fudge and total and outright mess.

[ludwig]

// It's not helpful at all to a sensible discussion to repeat urban myths like this //

We all know it's a myth, but it's become a sort of symbolic shorthand for EU laws taking preference over our own, and as such is helpful to this discussion.

[dannyk13]

Ludwig, not too much of a myth, from my link above:-
//The regulation states that bananas must be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature.//

[ludwig]

The word 'abnormal' is what makes 'EU bans bent bananas' a myth Danny, but we digress.

[mushroom25]

the regulations don't ban bent bananas. but they do provide for prosecution of anyone who sells "abnormal" bananas for human consumption. there's maybe the absurdity of this - a standard far bananas? yes, if the industry wants. guidance on bananas? of course. go to jail if you sell a bent banana? your answer here.

[Atheist]

But 'French' bananas definitely taste better than 'English' ones.