For The Anti Democracy Brigade.....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/21/jeremy-corbyn-labour-policy-leaving-eu
Even if agent COB gets into no 10, Brexit goes ahead.

[Zacs-Master]

‘Tora seems to be suggesting that people would vote for Corbyn, just to attempt to stop Brexit. " - where did I say that’

If that’s not what you’re implying with your headline, please enlighten us as to what you actually meant.

[ToraToraTora]

nice try ZM you continually try and ridicule me to hide your desperation to be ruled by your unelected corrupt friends in the EUSSR. Don't worry your VB credentials are safe.

[sp1814]

Z-M

Yeah, I saw that. TTT originally suggested something and you challenged it and the TTT tells you to show where he said that.

The ‘seems to suggest’ part of your statement means that you’ve inferred something, not that the person said something literally word-for-word!

[sp1814]

Zacs-Master

It seems that you’ve won round one. TTT has resorted to Breibartisms!

[Peter Pedant]

// Tora has a very strange view of the world, //
well den - he could find a job as Santa's little helper - seasonal work only but very well paid - swartz Piet - ahve we had that this year?

and the rest of the year - he....... er could run America or sumfing - he cd no worse than the current one

no offence 3T - I am always thinking of jobs for other people ....
Sqad - - psychiatrist of course

[-Talbot-]

There was one type of 'Stay'...which was





Angela Merkel
“In this day, nation states must today – should today, I say – be ready to give up sovereignty. But of course in an orderly procedure.”

Guy verhofstadt
"Abolish sovereign european countries"

[sp1814]

-Talbot-

I bet the type of leave you want is entirely different from many others.

This is why we are in a mess.

The government is trying to please all leavers, and all the leavers are hollering for a different type of leave.

[Peter Pedant]

// and the TTT tells you to show where he said that. //

uvvuz do that - I was invited to wade thro all Nize aphorisms, bon mots, and deep pensees to show where she had said "o Gawd, he's at it again". I did not rise to the challenge which was little better than watching wall - to wall neighbours

ho hum - there's christmas spirit for you !

hey they have arrested the droners - will the airlines sue for losses on their house hold insurance ? - losses covered up to £3.5m commonly. oops sorry should be in law

[-Talbot-]

So you're telling me ALL remainers want to be ruled from Brussels?

[sp1814]

And if we stayed in the EU, we would be able to add our voice to those do disagree with the idea of a European superstate, of which there millions.

Instead we have this giant political abortion.

We look stupid.

[sp1814]

-Talbot-

We aren’t rules by Brussels.

That’s an emotive argument.

[mushroom25]

//And if we stayed in the EU, we would be able to add our voice to those do disagree with the idea of a European superstate, of which there millions.
Instead we have this giant political abortion. //

but who is going to change that? certainly no-one, or party, that stands a realistic chance of forming a government.

[sp1814]

The people who make the EU's laws in Brussels are not unelected bureaucrats; they are elected politicians, accountable to the people who elected them.

Virtually every law made in Brussels must be approved by two sets of democratically-elected politicians: the Council of the European Union, which is made up of government ministers from each member state, and the European Parliament, every member of which has been elected.

These are not unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats; they are elected, accountable politicians. (There may be occasional exceptions: the government of the UK, for example, includes 24 members who have not been elected by anyone - they are members of the House of Lords, unaccountable to anyone except the prime minister of the day. In any other country, the arrangement would be regarded as profoundly undemocratic.)

[sp1814]

mushroom25

I should have written, “If we’d have voted to stay”.

It’s all the power of hindsight, but I always thought that there should’ve been a clause that we could only leave or stay when 60% of the country voted one way or another.

But then again - how many referenda would that mean?

[-Talbot-]

Explain what exactly the EU elite are talking about when they say we must give up our sovereignty, sp.

Give it up to who?

[-Talbot-]

sp1814
The people who make the EU's laws in Brussels are not unelected bureaucrats; they are elected politicians, accountable to the people who elected them.



They're not dissimilar to the committee (although granted on a far grander scale) at the local WMC. and we all know how things get passed by the committee don't we...don't we?

[Spicerack]

And hurry up before the sun goes over the yardarm.

[ToraToraTora]

talbot: "So you're telling me ALL remainers want to be ruled from Brussels? " - well that is the current position and remainers voted to remain so I can only assume that they want the status quo. Did you ever study logic?

[sp1814]

-Talbot-

You wrote:

Explain what exactly the EU elite are talking about when they say we must give up our sovereignty

I would do, if I knew what you were referring to.

[ToraToraTora]

SP when where juncket and barmpot elected?