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Is "focusing On The Genitals Transphobic"?
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where did I say that?
an athlete born x-y has a body shape and musculature such that on a level training field will always out-run, out-jump, out-hit, out-box, out-throw those athletes with x-x physiology. instant natural disadvantage. the "train harder" bit would doubtless be the retort of the x-y women who would otherwise wipe the floor with x-xes.
an athlete born x-y has a body shape and musculature such that on a level training field will always out-run, out-jump, out-hit, out-box, out-throw those athletes with x-x physiology. instant natural disadvantage. the "train harder" bit would doubtless be the retort of the x-y women who would otherwise wipe the floor with x-xes.
"...but they could always train harder, etc."
But they still wouldn't succeed in any sport where physical strength is a requirement against a man who trained (and was gifted) similarly. Having male genitals is not all there is to it. Males are (in general, so please don't cite specific examples that show otherwise) stronger than females and tend (in general) to be bigger and more muscular. Ms Navratilova is quite correct in her objections and what she describes (male athletes "identifying" as female and competing in women's events) is an inevitable consequence of the ridiculous transgender nonsense currently being portrayed as acceptable.
Her particular sport is a very good example. It would see, say, Novak Djokovic or Rafael Nadal simply declaring themselves female and wiping the floor with any (truly) female opposition that came their way. In fact, in the current world top ten female players I doubt there is a single one that could compete regularly on the Men's circuit and get beyond the second round. If the top ten men suddenly entered their competitions they wouldn't get a look in.
The idea of self identification is utter nonsense and sport is a particular area where it would be easy to demonstrate why. If Ms Navratilova's remarks are deemed "transphobic" I think there will be a lot of it about.
But they still wouldn't succeed in any sport where physical strength is a requirement against a man who trained (and was gifted) similarly. Having male genitals is not all there is to it. Males are (in general, so please don't cite specific examples that show otherwise) stronger than females and tend (in general) to be bigger and more muscular. Ms Navratilova is quite correct in her objections and what she describes (male athletes "identifying" as female and competing in women's events) is an inevitable consequence of the ridiculous transgender nonsense currently being portrayed as acceptable.
Her particular sport is a very good example. It would see, say, Novak Djokovic or Rafael Nadal simply declaring themselves female and wiping the floor with any (truly) female opposition that came their way. In fact, in the current world top ten female players I doubt there is a single one that could compete regularly on the Men's circuit and get beyond the second round. If the top ten men suddenly entered their competitions they wouldn't get a look in.
The idea of self identification is utter nonsense and sport is a particular area where it would be easy to demonstrate why. If Ms Navratilova's remarks are deemed "transphobic" I think there will be a lot of it about.
No, it isn't.
[The following refers to 'elite' athletes.]
In terms of training, perseverence, skill, motivation, grit and determination I think male and female athletes are absolutely equal.
However, male physicality will always trump female speed and strength in a sporting situation. Indeed, I am hard-pressed to think of a single sport where males/females could compete in the same events (at the same time) and a woman would have 'the edge'.
Martina was quite correct (in my opinion) by addressing this issue in the way that she has...
[The following refers to 'elite' athletes.]
In terms of training, perseverence, skill, motivation, grit and determination I think male and female athletes are absolutely equal.
However, male physicality will always trump female speed and strength in a sporting situation. Indeed, I am hard-pressed to think of a single sport where males/females could compete in the same events (at the same time) and a woman would have 'the edge'.
Martina was quite correct (in my opinion) by addressing this issue in the way that she has...
The very great Kurt Vonnegut (whom I'm proud to say I once met) had the answer; Handicapping!
"Harrison Bergeron" is a satirical, dystopian science fiction short story written by Kurt Vonnegut and first published in October 1961. Originally published in The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, the story was re-published in the author's collection, Welcome to the Monkey House in 1968.
In the story, social [and athletic] equality has been achieved by handicapping the more intelligent, athletic or beautiful members of society. For example, strength is handicapped by the requirement to carry weight, beauty by the requirement to wear a mask and so on. This is due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th amendments to the United States Constitution. This process is central to the society, designed so that no one will feel inferior to anyone else. Handicapping is overseen by the United States Handicapper General, Diana Moon-Glampers.
Harrison Bergeron, the protagonist of the story, has exceptional intelligence, strength, and beauty, and thus has to bear enormous handicaps. These include headphones that play distracting noises, three hundred pounds of weight strapped to his body, eyeglasses designed to give him headaches, a rubber ball on his nose, black caps on his teeth, and shaven eyebrows. Despite these societal handicaps, he is able to invade a TV station, declare himself Emperor, strip himself of his handicaps, then dance with a ballerina whose handicaps he has also discarded. [she had been forced to wear a divers lead-weighted belt] Both are shot dead by the brutal and relentless Handicapper General. The story is framed by an additional perspective from Bergeron's parents, who are watching the incident on TV, but because of his father's handicaps, and his mother's average intelligence, they cannot concentrate enough to remember it."
Highly recommended by Khandro (and a merry Christmas!)
"Harrison Bergeron" is a satirical, dystopian science fiction short story written by Kurt Vonnegut and first published in October 1961. Originally published in The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, the story was re-published in the author's collection, Welcome to the Monkey House in 1968.
In the story, social [and athletic] equality has been achieved by handicapping the more intelligent, athletic or beautiful members of society. For example, strength is handicapped by the requirement to carry weight, beauty by the requirement to wear a mask and so on. This is due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th amendments to the United States Constitution. This process is central to the society, designed so that no one will feel inferior to anyone else. Handicapping is overseen by the United States Handicapper General, Diana Moon-Glampers.
Harrison Bergeron, the protagonist of the story, has exceptional intelligence, strength, and beauty, and thus has to bear enormous handicaps. These include headphones that play distracting noises, three hundred pounds of weight strapped to his body, eyeglasses designed to give him headaches, a rubber ball on his nose, black caps on his teeth, and shaven eyebrows. Despite these societal handicaps, he is able to invade a TV station, declare himself Emperor, strip himself of his handicaps, then dance with a ballerina whose handicaps he has also discarded. [she had been forced to wear a divers lead-weighted belt] Both are shot dead by the brutal and relentless Handicapper General. The story is framed by an additional perspective from Bergeron's parents, who are watching the incident on TV, but because of his father's handicaps, and his mother's average intelligence, they cannot concentrate enough to remember it."
Highly recommended by Khandro (and a merry Christmas!)
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