A Good Debate To Be Had Here

[-Talbot-]

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/muslim-mums-protest-outside-school-15729135?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar


Where to begin.

[Theland]

There is too much social engineering in favour of minorities.j

[sherrardk]

But it could be said that if schools didn’t tackle the ‘difficult’ topics then the children would never learn to be more tolerant of minorities. My children learn about different faiths despite the fact that we must live in (what seems to be) the most undiverse place in Britain and that’s good. They are aware that not all families are a man, a woman and 2.4 kids. It’s giving all kids the same basic insight into how society is these days.

[albaqwerty]

''When I was in school there was no sex education. Nature took its course. ''

oh, TheLand, and how many bairns who were not wanted or were an utter surprise arrived due to this wonderful education?

[Theland]

Unwanted pregnancies - ere the statistics better now then?

[vetuste_ennemi]

// TheLand, and how many bairns who were not wanted or were an utter surprise arrived due to this wonderful education? //

Dunno, Albaqwerty, but far fewer of these "unwanted" bairns ended up with only one parent than those born in today's educationally superior climate.

I'm not suggestuing this is an important consideration to everybody, but, personally, I think that on the whole it's better for the kids to have a father around. I(n this respect Ms Shah and I probably agree.

[albaqwerty]

probably not Theland, they might even be worse. I have no idea.

Was actually wondering if sex education might help those 'doing' it know where to put the equipment in the correct receptacle.

[naomi24]

I'm on Mrs Shah's side.

[Pyxis]

sherrardk
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But it could be said that if schools didn’t tackle the ‘difficult’ topics then the children would never learn to be more tolerant of minorities. My children learn about different faiths despite the fact that we must live in (what seems to be) the most undiverse place in Britain and that’s good. They are aware that not all families are a man, a woman and 2.4 kids. It’s giving all kids the same basic insight into how society is these days.
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Hear hear!

[-Talbot-]

naomi24
I'm on Mrs Shah's side.



//No Outsiders - a programme run alongside sex and relationship education (SRE) lessons.//

If they have 'sex and relationship education lessons' already, naomi...should they just pretend same-sex relationships don't exist?

Did she object to the sex lessons?
Fatima Shah's argument is because the school is 98% Muslim.
Not because the kids are too young or any other reason, it is because they are Muslim.


If I stood outside my local school protesting about kids being taught 'CHIPS' (challenging homophobia in primary schools) I would be a bigot a homophobe

[naomi24]

Talbot, //Not because the kids are too young or any other reason, it is because they are Muslim.//

I considered that before posting my response – non-explanatory due only to limited time. However, this, as I see it, is the dilemma. Do we concede to religious foibles because, as we all know, religious foibles must be respected - or do we examine the curriculum in order to determine whether the content is truly appropriate? To the first question I would say ‘No’, but since I don’t believe in burdening children with cares that should rightly be confined to an adult world, to the second ‘Yes’. I certainly wouldn’t advocate running such a programme simply to rally doggedly against Islam’s homophobia. That can be contested elsewhere. Children should never be reduced to pawns in a grown-up battle – and that’s precisely what this is. Whoever determines that little children be exposed to that which they are too young to understand clearly has no reservations in screwing with innocent young minds - and I see nothing whatsoever to commend that. On this one I'm still on Mrs Shah's side.

[hereIam]

I'm torn here, on the one hand I'm not happy with a primary school in this country being 98% muslim and on the other hand I do agree with this lady, little kids should just be taught the usual school stuff and leave the sex, especially LBGT until they are old enough to understand it.

[Peter Pedant]

// Where to begin.
//

you begin with
with we all have to obey the law - duuuh
Jesus

[Peter Pedant]

// I do agree with this lady, kids should be taught the usual school stuff and leave the sex, especially LBGT until they are old enough to understand it.//

they do understand it duuh
and so does mum
she just doesnt like it and thinks she can pick and choose

[Peter Pedant]

// Do we concede to religious foibles because, as we all know, religious foibles must be respected //

erm no we dont actually
but hell this is AB in full swing at night

so in AB speak perhaps we do
or in AB speak we do and dont at the same time

[Peter Pedant]

// If I stood outside my local school protesting....//
no one wd do a damn thing....
you are allowed to protest ....

[naomi24]

//hell this is AB in full swing at night

so in AB speak perhaps we do
or in AB speak we do and dont at the same time //

Yep.... you've peeped out from behind your curtain again, PP. AB at night is now in full swing.

[Theland]

"Now children, one day you boys will get an erection."
"Please miss, will my sister get some too?"
" It's not for girls, at least not right away, but they borrow it later."
"Please miss, she's not borrowing mine. Can't she get her own?"
"Miss Miss. Not fair. Why do the boys get one and we don't?"
"Look children, has anybody got pet rabbits?"

[sanmac]

Theland, that brings to mind those hilarious monologues by Joyce Grenfell:)

[Theland]

Monologues? That's me. I am the only one I can talk to, and the only one that listens!

[sanmac]

In case you're interested: https://monologues.co.uk/index2.htm