Are Labour The New National Socialists?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-warned-more-mps-could-resign-over-antisemitism-11641626
//Two Jewish MPs reveal they were told by a party member they do not have "human blood" as the party meets to discuss the problem.//
Can an antisemite ever clear antisemitism out of the Labour party?

[ichkeria]

The Japanese like long term agreements and they don’t like uncertainty. Brexit is definitely a factor in this. The timing for one thing makes it very plain what one of the issues is while they can deny it at the same time.

As for Corbyn being stronger because of the defections well I think that is fantasy land. He may actually think that himself. After all “change” doesn’t seem to be a word he understands.

[Kromovaracun]

Jewish Labour Movement, after 99 years, are holding a series of emergency meetings in Manchester and London to determine the group's future in the Labour party.

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/after-99-years-jewish-labour-movement-to-consider-future-in-corbyns-party/

Perhaps nothing will come of this as Jewish Labour is split over whether to leave the party. But if the outcome of those meetings is a large group of jews publicly leaving and taking the party's only association for Jewish members with them, that will be hugely damaging. Even if they somehow eradicated anti-semitism in the party on the next day, the image of jews deserting Labour en masse would surely be pretty unforgettable.

What sad times we live in.

[retrocop]

I wager the late mike is turning in his grave yet, maybe, not.

[Gromit]

ludwig
Labour were soundly beaten in 2010 and 2015. Brown and Milliband presented a centrist manifesto to the voting public and in both instances, the public rejected it in favour of the conservatives.
So Labour had to change. While they lost again in 2017, there was an improvement gaining 30 seats.
In the latest polls (pah) Labour are ahead, so the mantra of unelectability may be wishful thinking.

[ichkeria]

Rubbish with respect: Kabour lost in 2015 partly because of the perception, shamelessly encouraged by Lynton Crosby and the Tory supporting press, that Miliband and Sturgeon were going to stake some sort of MacMarxist coup and form a coalition in a hung parliament. Our constituency was one of the marginals spammed to that effect by Tory central office.
And Andy Hughes is more or less right: Corbyn got his hands on the leadership more or less by accident. If Labour stands an earthly chance of victory in an election its only because of the dire state of the Tory party (and vice versa)
Sure, some Labour voters felt energised by the new direction but not in sufficient numbers.

[naomi24]

//Whether they understand or care that it makes them even more unelectable is another question. //

I've just been listening to Hatton speaking on television. He certainly doesn't understand.

[ludwig]

// Brown and Milliband presented a centrist manifesto to the voting public //

Brown and Miliband were unpopular with the electorate who were pretty much fed up with Labour anyway at that point. If either of them were leader now, I bet they'd be doing better in the polls than Corbyn is. The Tories have been so useless lately that Labour should really be trouncing them, rather than just possibly ahead.

You're right that an unelectable Corbyn is wishful thinking on my part, but just because I wish it doesn't mean it's not true.

[jim360]

Gromit: // In the latest polls (pah) Labour are ahead, so the mantra of unelectability may be wishful thinking. //

Misleading or selective, one of the two: the poll trackers I am aware of show Labour at best tied in the last half-dozen or so, and at least three points down in the rest. Could be a temporary blip, but in general 2019 has been good for the Tories and bad for Labour poll-wise.

As to 2010 and 2015 -- Labour's loss in 2010 was essentially inevitable for any party in power for 10+ years and with a (global!) recession in progress, while 2015 was corrupted rather by Lib Dem's collapse. But the idea that Labour should respond to 2010 and 2015 defeats by swinging left because they weren't "left enough" for an electorate that decided to go to the right seems, at the very least, a little perverse logic.

[Gromit]

Jim360
The 8 latest polls ALL have Labour ahead.
The Optinium one yesterday had a 3 point lead. But we all know the polls are (pah) not very reliable.

The Brexit we eventually get will be a mess, and hardly anyone will be happy. The Prime Minister and her Government will get the blame. That is how Corbyn will gain votes, not on his or his party’s merits.

[Gromit]

Sorry, forgot the link for Jim360

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk

[Gromit]

Correction:
5 out of 8 show a Labour lead, not ALL.

[jim360]

Perhaps you should read your own link again, Grom: firstly, the bar on the right of that page hasn't been updated for a month, and secondly even if those *were* the latest polls then the last eight don't show Labour ahead.

Outdated information, then, rather than misleading.

[jim360]

Also, the Opinium one from "yesterday" is actually from 18th January.

[jim360]

I didn't mean to hit enter so soon. The Opinium one Gromit mentioned did indeed show Labour three poitns ahead, but that was released a month ago. Since then Opinium alone has released three further polls, showing Labour four behind (Jan 25, poll commissioned by People's Vote), seven behind (Feb 1, Observer) and tied with the (Tories Feb 15, Observer). The last poll with Labour ahead was Survation on Jan 30th. As I say, it may only be a one-month swing, but you're simply out-of-date with your polling facts, Grom.

Keep up, Grom :)

[youngmafbog]

TTT, the momentum jack boots are firmly on and the Brown shirts are 'cleansing' the Party.

So yes, the new National Socialists.

[Gromit]

Mea Culpa. I’ll get me coat.

[grumpy01]

On the news Derek Hatton was being interviewed and sounds as if he is still living in the 1980's .Re Ed Milliband,he had difficulty eating a sandwich so how was he going to run the country.

[ToraToraTora]

TBF grumpy all socialists live in the 80s, in shock, when they got their Aprils Kicked by TGL, they just can't understand why everyone doesn't worship at the alter of their Marxist cobras. They have wet dreams about Tolpuddle, hang on that's gulliver's village ain't it?

[Kromovaracun]

Socialism is older than Marxism, 3T. Not everybody who's a socialist is a Marxist (and not everybody who's a Marxist supports Soviet-style communism).

[ToraToraTora]

you say tomayto I say tomato!