Environment And Climate Change Emergency

[spathiphyllum]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/climate-change-environment-emergency-commons-motion-mps-vote-latest-a8895456.html

Now will people admit that the kind of climate change we're experiencing isn't just "natural" ?

[spathiphyllum]

"you’ve told me to post elsewhere"

Yes because apparently sharing this info is "virtue signalling by publicly jumping on the eco-warrior bandwagon" which i found offensive and dismissive of the thread.

[ichkeria]

The report was commissioned by the government. It’s nothing to do with the vote in Parliament being roundly satirised by all and sundry.
But those are the recommendations and the measures requested.

[naomi24]

Did you? Okay.

[ichkeria]

It is odd how people get on the defensive so quickly here.
“Well you went on holiday to Corfu last year so you can’t talk and well anyway I’m still going to use my car blah blah blah”

:-)

[dannyk13]

Ich it was in the House of Commons that a bill was proposed and debated calling for a climate change emergency to be declared.

[-Talbot-]

A lawnmower aware of its self importance...I'm always in awe of advancing technology.

[ichkeria]

Yes I know.
But the government had already commissioned the report st my link.
I think the emergency vote was called by Mr Corbyn in fact

[dannyk13]

It was indeed called for by Corbyn.

[mushroom25]

In 2015, freight transport accounted for 6% of global energy consumption and one third of transport energy consumption. Although road transport by HGV accounted for only around one quarter of global freight activity (in tonne kilometres), it was responsible for nearly three quarters of energy use for freight transport and around one quarter of energy use for road transport. Energy use for freight transport is growing faster than for passenger transport and the scope for substituting towards low carbon fuels is limited. freight transport tends to be neglected by both researchers and policymakers; whilst manufacturers are actively creating electric passenger vehicles, no such equivalent research is being done to replace the diesel HGV. in the UK practically everything consumed arrives by truck, and much of it is imported by truck.

it's all very well making strident carbon-limiting policy but it's nothing but hot air when there's still no practical alternative to today's carbon based economy.

[dannyk13]

Ich, the difference is that the report commissioned by the government
did call it an emrgency.

[Ryzen]

Yet another 'emergency', and still no mention of a childbirth reduction.
I must pop out to fill the car/vans up before another 10p goes on a litre.

[ichkeria]

I’m no scientist but I think a major part of the strategy is reducing net carbon production by increasing the numbers of carbon consumers hence the tree planting etc

[dannyk13]

^did not call it^

[ichkeria]

I’m no longer sure what we’re supposed to be disagreeing on Danny :-)
Parliament says it’s an emergency, the government report says it’s an emergency. That’s the same conclusion from different sources?
Never mind.

[ichkeria]

Ah!

[dannyk13]

The government calls this an emergency and we must cut down on carbon emissions but they still will not ban fracking.

[JF85]

"I could never be accused of remaining silent - virtuously or otherwise."

I think that was the point I was trying to make. Thank you for making it more effectively.

[naomi24]

My pleasure, JF85.

[New Judge]

"...it gives the impression little things to make a difference isn't top of their priorities list."

It isn't top of their priorities list because:

1. China is opening new coal-fired power stations at the rate of roughly one a week.

2. Closer to home, the UK government has encouraged Drax power station, in Yorkshire (which generates about 7% of the UK's electricity) to convert to burning (what is laughingly called) "biomass". This sounds very green and clean. In fact, the majority of it is made up of processed wood pellets sourced from Canadian and US forests. This involves deforestation on a mega-industrial scale. Drax burns some 15m tons of wood pellets a year (and this will increase as it converts more of it facility from coal to wood) and this necessitates an area roughly the size of Wales to be deforested annually. The argument that this is a "sustainable" process because the forests are allegedly being replanted has recently been laid bare. It has been realised by the "experts" (and has been obvious to anybody with half a brain for years) that if the trees had been allowed to remain they would have continued with their CO2 absorption process whereas it will take decades, if not centuries for the new plants to reach the same maturity. As a result of this flawed thinking the carbon produced by burning wood does not count towards the UK's emissions total but this ridiculous logic is now being challenged through the courts.

Quite a bit of the energy produced in this way goes to power 25Kw "curtain heaters" which many stores (struggling to make a profit, apparently) use to heat the street when they leave their doors wide open throughout January and February. Meanwhile I'm supposed to turn my thermostat down to what is for me an uncomfortable level and running an incandescent light bulb is viewed as a crime worse than dropping a sack full of kittens into the canal.

So, no, doing little things that actually make no difference at all is not top of my list of priorities.

[anotheoldgit]

/// During the debate on the motion environment secretary Michael Gove, who met with climate activists at Westminster on Tuesday, also said the government recognises “the situation we face is an emergency”, ///


Well it would seem that the Left-Wing lead disruption on London's streets have had an effect.

I wonder if the politicians would listen to a similar Right-Wing led protest, if they were to go on the streets over certain other issues which are also having an effect on our country?