Why Is This Bloke On Trial?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-48134851
this "non violent person" - went burglarising with a weapon, and got offed, result for us all if you ask me.

[Barmaid]

He isn't. He has not been charged. He was giving evidence at an inquest. The coroner has found that the deceased was lawfully killed.

[hereIam]

And yet the dead bloke's sister is defending him. It seems it's ok in her eyes to burgle an oap's home armed with a screwdriver and high on drugs, stupid, deluded woman. I feel sorry for this man, his life has been totally upended due to no fault of his own.

[jno]

oh yeah, the other guy ran onto my knife. Amazing how many lives have ended with people mysteriously throwing themselves onto other people's knives. Why do they do it??

[ToraToraTora]

who cares jno, savage should not have been there.

[ToraToraTora]

it always amazes me how many handwringers side withe these low life tea leaves.

[ludwig]

If you break into someone's house armed with a screwdriver and they pick up a knife, you're probably in danger of getting stabbed.

Personally I minimise the risk of getting into a situation like that by not breaking into people's houses.

[Gladeian]

TTT and Ludwig - totally with you on this.

[New Judge]

"And yet the dead bloke's sister is defending him..."

What you've forgotten, Tora, is that the gentlemen concerned was a member of a certain "community" where such behaviour is commonplace. She no doubt takes the view that her boyfriend was killed in a workplace accident.

What is also overlooked is that Mr Osborn-Brooks and his wife had their lives devastated by this incident. They lived in a comfortable house and, at 79, had probably planned to spend the rest of their days there. Instead, because of the activities of Mr Vincent's friends and relatives (they set up a "shrine" to their loved one just a few yards from the Osborn-Brooks's house) and the threats they made to the victim of the burglary, they were forced to move, effectively into hiding. Mr Osborn-Brooks had no say in these events and his life has been thrown into turmoil. Mr Vincent certainly did have a choice but one that thankfully he will not be called upon to make again.

[gness]

Not a mystery, Jno if the criminal is under the influence of cocaine and heroin.

[spathiphyllum]

We're talking about murder. Of course there is a trial.


Else, people could murder people willy nilly, then set it up like it was a burglary.

It is not legal in the UK to kill people for trespassing or breaking and entering = Court Trial. This is a non question if you ask me, but i understand it for discussion purposes.

[spathiphyllum]

"The coroner has found that the deceased was lawfully killed."

Self defence that is.

[Deskdiary]

"We're talking about murder."

No we're not. Where on earth did you get that idea from?

No doubt the Pi...sorry, ahem, Travellers, will now form a braying mob at the lawful killing decision, because apparently (according to them when it happened) he was a lovely bloke.

These people have no redeeming features - they are detritus.

It's most unlike jno to take a contrary point of view just for the sake of it even when he surely must know he's talking total cack.

[spathiphyllum]

OK.. we're talking about death. Of course it's going to be looked deeply into.

[hc4361]

Spath, it is NOT a trial. If the coroner had found that he had been UNlawfully killed, there would have been a murder investigation, arrest and trial. That won't be happening as the coroner found he was lawfully killed.

[hereIam]

NJ it was me who said that about his sister, not TTT ...

[New Judge]

Apologies, HIA. I can't keep up! :-)

[pixie374]

It seems a fair decision. His sister is upset, naturally, but that doesn't mean the ruling was wrong.

[Baldric]

spath, read the link,

// A 79-year-old man who killed an armed burglar with a kitchen knife acted lawfully, an "inquest" has decided //

[barney15c]

A career criminal and scumbag, was his choice to enter that house. Inquest proved it was not Murder, so that should be the end of it.

[New Judge]

"OK.. we're talking about death. Of course it's going to be looked deeply into."

The CPS decided within two days (very rapidly by their standards) that Mr Osborn-Brooks would face no criminal charges. The inquest was to establish the circumstances of Mr Vincent's death. It was held without a jury, meaning a senior coroner decided that a high level of public scrutiny (above that afforded my a normal inquest) was unnecessary.

"It is not legal in the UK to kill people for trespassing or breaking and entering"

It is in certain circumstances, such as those that prevailed here (i.e. a drug addict, high on some substance or other, breaking into your house and coming at you with a screwdriver). You are not obliged to stand by whilst he plunders your belongings and stabs you on the way out.