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bainbrig " (bitches getting what they deserve) ".
Who wrote that apart from yourself.
I think most people on this thread recognise that, irrespective of whatever sex the person is, this was perceived as a potential threat. As in any threat you try to stop it, do you wait for a car to hit you before trying to get out of its way?
Who wrote that apart from yourself.
I think most people on this thread recognise that, irrespective of whatever sex the person is, this was perceived as a potential threat. As in any threat you try to stop it, do you wait for a car to hit you before trying to get out of its way?
Once again the 'what if … ' defence is being trotted out with varying degrees of self-righteous outrage.
If I had been there, and assessed that there might have been a serious threat to life from the woman protester, I would have grabbed her around her body pinning her arms to her sides, and shouted loudly for help.
I would not have bang her against a pillar, and grabbed her by the neck as if she was a puppy weeing on the carpet, and marched her out - leaving her hands free to do whatever with the 'weapon' she 'might have been carrying'.
Avoiding injury is about incapacitating the potential threat, which for a man against a woman, is simple, given the method I have described.
Unless of course, you are not keen to avert assault, but merely annoyed at an intrusion, and keen to show off your temper by banging someone against a pillar and then taking hold of them in a way which is classed as assault.
If I had been there, and assessed that there might have been a serious threat to life from the woman protester, I would have grabbed her around her body pinning her arms to her sides, and shouted loudly for help.
I would not have bang her against a pillar, and grabbed her by the neck as if she was a puppy weeing on the carpet, and marched her out - leaving her hands free to do whatever with the 'weapon' she 'might have been carrying'.
Avoiding injury is about incapacitating the potential threat, which for a man against a woman, is simple, given the method I have described.
Unless of course, you are not keen to avert assault, but merely annoyed at an intrusion, and keen to show off your temper by banging someone against a pillar and then taking hold of them in a way which is classed as assault.
Any attempt to wrap arms around the protestor would (with grim inevitability) have resulted in the MP being accused of sexually inappropriate touching - if you don't believe that then you are quite unwordly.
I don't like the man at all - an odious Tory of the first water - but his actions were (let's remember) in the heat of the moment in a potentially dangerous situation. He hurt no-one, and the woman lost nothing apart from her dignity.
As storms go this was barely even a ripple in a teacup.
I used to support Greenpeace (both verbally and financially) when it was a bunch of committed and brave people risking their lives for a just cause. At some point it morphed into a vehicle for the attention seeking - another tick to add a little 'quirkiness' to your CV - the current 'activists' seem unable to accept that even mild reproof is a risk that they need to run.
I don't like the man at all - an odious Tory of the first water - but his actions were (let's remember) in the heat of the moment in a potentially dangerous situation. He hurt no-one, and the woman lost nothing apart from her dignity.
As storms go this was barely even a ripple in a teacup.
I used to support Greenpeace (both verbally and financially) when it was a bunch of committed and brave people risking their lives for a just cause. At some point it morphed into a vehicle for the attention seeking - another tick to add a little 'quirkiness' to your CV - the current 'activists' seem unable to accept that even mild reproof is a risk that they need to run.
sunny-dave - // Any attempt to wrap arms around the protestor would (with grim inevitability) have resulted in the MP being accused of sexually inappropriate touching - if you don't believe that then you are quite unwordly. //
I don't believe it, and I am quite 'worldly' enough, thank you.
I am intrigued with the notion of assaulting someone being used as a defence against potential harm, but retraining someone for the same reason would, in your belief, be seen as sexual assault.
Given the situation, the gentleman concerned could have easily and successfully defended himself against any such nonsensical accusations - the film clearly shows what was happening at the time.
After all, if so many on here can defend his disgraceful assault as being in the interests of defending the Minister, and others, then they would have no issue batting away any nonsense about sexual assault under the same circumstances - would they?
I don't believe it, and I am quite 'worldly' enough, thank you.
I am intrigued with the notion of assaulting someone being used as a defence against potential harm, but retraining someone for the same reason would, in your belief, be seen as sexual assault.
Given the situation, the gentleman concerned could have easily and successfully defended himself against any such nonsensical accusations - the film clearly shows what was happening at the time.
After all, if so many on here can defend his disgraceful assault as being in the interests of defending the Minister, and others, then they would have no issue batting away any nonsense about sexual assault under the same circumstances - would they?
sanmac - // At 1457, "Once again the 'what if … ' defence is being trotted out with varying degrees of self-righteous outrage." And then he goes on to tell us WHAT he would have done IF he had been there! //
If you want to have a dig - and you always do - you need to read and understand what you are attacking first.
Hypothesising about a potential situation which shows no evidence of occurring, the 'What if …. ' approach, is a world away from me advising what I would done.
I was basing my action on what could have been said actually to be going on, which is a universe away from imagining all sorts of death and destruction, based on no visible evidence whatsoever.
Do try and keep up - or better still, stop leaping in to have a pop because of your personal animosity, and stick to the debate.
If you want to have a dig - and you always do - you need to read and understand what you are attacking first.
Hypothesising about a potential situation which shows no evidence of occurring, the 'What if …. ' approach, is a world away from me advising what I would done.
I was basing my action on what could have been said actually to be going on, which is a universe away from imagining all sorts of death and destruction, based on no visible evidence whatsoever.
Do try and keep up - or better still, stop leaping in to have a pop because of your personal animosity, and stick to the debate.
a-h ; //If I had been there, and assessed that there might have been a serious threat to life from the woman protester, I would have grabbed her around her body pinning her arms to her sides, and shouted loudly for help.//
At one stage in my life I practised Judo, I didn't engage with women on the Tatami (mat), but I have watched a few women black-belts, and believe me if she was one and you'd tried that on, you would be flat on your back, in two seconds, you "man" she "woman" or not.
Also his holding her at arm's length by the back of the neck while marching her out was, in my opinion, a sensible thing to do had she been carrying a knife, a clear possibility today.
I give him full marks.
At one stage in my life I practised Judo, I didn't engage with women on the Tatami (mat), but I have watched a few women black-belts, and believe me if she was one and you'd tried that on, you would be flat on your back, in two seconds, you "man" she "woman" or not.
Also his holding her at arm's length by the back of the neck while marching her out was, in my opinion, a sensible thing to do had she been carrying a knife, a clear possibility today.
I give him full marks.
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