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Whilst not condoning this behaviour by a certain few, LBC radio decided to make this a news subject for their phone in.
Having listened to this I was surprised at the way this behaviour was criticised as being part of our British (but mainly English) behaviour when we are abroad.
Two callers one a Black male and an Asian lady, who I suppose would demand that they were British born and bred, were amongst those who slagged off 'The Brit's' culture.
The Asian Lady criticised the way British women dressed when they were abroad, with their skimpy attire and tattooed arms. Whilst the Black fellow chose to link 'The Brit's' aggressive behaviour back to the days of our Empire.
Why is this sort of criticism of our behaviour and culture allowed, yet if we criticise other's cultures and their behaviour, we are classed as being racist? Indeed it would never be allowed to be the subject for a radio phone in.
Whilst not condoning this behaviour by a certain few, LBC radio decided to make this a news subject for their phone in.
Having listened to this I was surprised at the way this behaviour was criticised as being part of our British (but mainly English) behaviour when we are abroad.
Two callers one a Black male and an Asian lady, who I suppose would demand that they were British born and bred, were amongst those who slagged off 'The Brit's' culture.
The Asian Lady criticised the way British women dressed when they were abroad, with their skimpy attire and tattooed arms. Whilst the Black fellow chose to link 'The Brit's' aggressive behaviour back to the days of our Empire.
Why is this sort of criticism of our behaviour and culture allowed, yet if we criticise other's cultures and their behaviour, we are classed as being racist? Indeed it would never be allowed to be the subject for a radio phone in.
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If I am reading your OP correctly AOG, your ire is raised by your perception that 'non-Brits' are criticising 'Brit' behaviour, and that we 'Brits' are not allowed to do the same.
First of all, the evidence that the callers you refer to is seriously flimsy. If you are aligning ethnicity with accents, have a listen to Trevor MacDonald - born in Trinidad, sounds as British as a listed building!
Secondly, the entire ethos of free speech is that anyone is free to criticise anyone else within the bounds of the law - and that is how and why phone-ins exist.
If you were only allowed to criticise Muslims and others not born in the UK by being a Muslim, or not born in the UK, your contributions to the Answerbank would cease instantly.
If you want an even playing field, and that is what free speech is, then you must accept that your criticism of our cultures is going to be mirrored by other cultures (possibly - no actual evidence offered) which is what has occurred here.
The notion that any British person criticising another culture would be deemed as racist demonstrates yet again that you do not appear to have a firm grasp on the meaning of the term which you love to use so much.
First of all, the evidence that the callers you refer to is seriously flimsy. If you are aligning ethnicity with accents, have a listen to Trevor MacDonald - born in Trinidad, sounds as British as a listed building!
Secondly, the entire ethos of free speech is that anyone is free to criticise anyone else within the bounds of the law - and that is how and why phone-ins exist.
If you were only allowed to criticise Muslims and others not born in the UK by being a Muslim, or not born in the UK, your contributions to the Answerbank would cease instantly.
If you want an even playing field, and that is what free speech is, then you must accept that your criticism of our cultures is going to be mirrored by other cultures (possibly - no actual evidence offered) which is what has occurred here.
The notion that any British person criticising another culture would be deemed as racist demonstrates yet again that you do not appear to have a firm grasp on the meaning of the term which you love to use so much.
andy-hughes
/// First of all, the evidence that the callers you refer to is seriously flimsy. If you are aligning ethnicity with accents, have a listen to Trevor MacDonald - born in Trinidad, sounds as British as a listed building! ///
It was not a Trindadian who spoke like Trevor MacDonald who phoned in, obviously if it was of course I couldn't guess his ethnicity. It was a gentleman with a broad West Indian accent.
But then of course it could have been Jim Davidson's mate chalky on the phone.
/// Secondly, the entire ethos of free speech is that anyone is free to criticise anyone else within the bounds of the law - and that is how and why phone-ins exist. ///
Obviously you don't listen to many (if any) LBC radio phone-ins, anyone criticising Blacks or Asian in the way these two callers were, are immediatly cut off.
/// If you were only allowed to criticise Muslims and others not born in the UK by being a Muslim, or not born in the UK, your contributions to the Answerbank would cease instantly. ///
Don't confuse AnswerBank or any other internet outlet, with the general media.
/// The notion that any British person criticising another culture would be deemed as racist demonstrates yet again that you do not appear to have a firm grasp on the meaning of the term which you love to use so much. ///
By your reckoning, it should be those certain others on AB and not me, that you should accuse of not having a firm grasp on the meaning of the term racism, after all it is them who regularly dish out the word racist, I should know I have it levelled at me, just for holding an opinion over the introduction mass multiracism and multiculturalism to this country.
/// First of all, the evidence that the callers you refer to is seriously flimsy. If you are aligning ethnicity with accents, have a listen to Trevor MacDonald - born in Trinidad, sounds as British as a listed building! ///
It was not a Trindadian who spoke like Trevor MacDonald who phoned in, obviously if it was of course I couldn't guess his ethnicity. It was a gentleman with a broad West Indian accent.
But then of course it could have been Jim Davidson's mate chalky on the phone.
/// Secondly, the entire ethos of free speech is that anyone is free to criticise anyone else within the bounds of the law - and that is how and why phone-ins exist. ///
Obviously you don't listen to many (if any) LBC radio phone-ins, anyone criticising Blacks or Asian in the way these two callers were, are immediatly cut off.
/// If you were only allowed to criticise Muslims and others not born in the UK by being a Muslim, or not born in the UK, your contributions to the Answerbank would cease instantly. ///
Don't confuse AnswerBank or any other internet outlet, with the general media.
/// The notion that any British person criticising another culture would be deemed as racist demonstrates yet again that you do not appear to have a firm grasp on the meaning of the term which you love to use so much. ///
By your reckoning, it should be those certain others on AB and not me, that you should accuse of not having a firm grasp on the meaning of the term racism, after all it is them who regularly dish out the word racist, I should know I have it levelled at me, just for holding an opinion over the introduction mass multiracism and multiculturalism to this country.
My daughter and her family are currently on their way back from Albufeira After a short trip, she rang yesterday saying she'd never go again, we wentbyears ago and the old town was quaint and lovely to visit but apparently now it's very rowdy and not for the faint hearted at night , and this was Britons by the way
AOG - // Ignore the Black on Black killings in London Town, or the Muslim Child Grooming Gangs up North, how dare anyone be critical of African/Asian culture. //
But that's not what we are discussing - you should know that, it's your OP we are debating, and that is about the phone-in and your perceived unfairness that 'non-Brits' as you perceive them, are having their say.
But that's not what we are discussing - you should know that, it's your OP we are debating, and that is about the phone-in and your perceived unfairness that 'non-Brits' as you perceive them, are having their say.
AOG -
/// First of all, the evidence that the callers you refer to is seriously flimsy. If you are aligning ethnicity with accents, have a listen to Trevor MacDonald - born in Trinidad, sounds as British as a listed building! ///
It was not a Trindadian who spoke like Trevor MacDonald who phoned in, obviously if it was of course I couldn't guess his ethnicity. It was a gentleman with a broad West Indian accent. //
And there you have it – by your own admission, you are ‘guessing’ at someone’s racial origin based entirely on his accent, and without sight of the gentleman concerned. As I said, that is a flimsy basis for your assumption. To refer again to my point about Trevor MacDonald, you cannot assess ethnicity from an accent, not with any degree of accuracy anyway, a guess is the best you can do, but at least you have shifted your position on that point to something more reasonable.
/// Secondly, the entire ethos of free speech is that anyone is free to criticise anyone else within the bounds of the law - and that is how and why phone-ins exist. ///
Obviously you don't listen to many (if any) LBC radio phone-ins, anyone criticising Blacks or Asian in the way these two callers were, are immediatly cut off. //
I am outside the broadcast range of LBC, so I will concede your point on that aspect of the discussion.
/// If you were only allowed to criticise Muslims and others not born in the UK by being a Muslim, or not born in the UK, your contributions to the Answerbank would cease instantly. ///
// Don't confuse AnswerBank or any other internet outlet, with the general media. //
I have no idea what you are talking about – we are on AB, what do other outlets have to do with anything we are discussing?
/// The notion that any British person criticising another culture would be deemed as racist demonstrates yet again that you do not appear to have a firm grasp on the meaning of the term which you love to use so much. ///
// By your reckoning, it should be those certain others on AB and not me, that you should accuse of not having a firm grasp on the meaning of the term racism, after all it is them who regularly dish out the word racist, I should know I have it levelled at me, just for holding an opinion over the introduction mass multiracism and multiculturalism to this country. //
Again, not what we are discussing. For the record, as a Moderator, if I see a direct reference to anyone as a racist, I will, and have done on your behalf more than once, delete it. But again, that is not what we are discussing.
/// First of all, the evidence that the callers you refer to is seriously flimsy. If you are aligning ethnicity with accents, have a listen to Trevor MacDonald - born in Trinidad, sounds as British as a listed building! ///
It was not a Trindadian who spoke like Trevor MacDonald who phoned in, obviously if it was of course I couldn't guess his ethnicity. It was a gentleman with a broad West Indian accent. //
And there you have it – by your own admission, you are ‘guessing’ at someone’s racial origin based entirely on his accent, and without sight of the gentleman concerned. As I said, that is a flimsy basis for your assumption. To refer again to my point about Trevor MacDonald, you cannot assess ethnicity from an accent, not with any degree of accuracy anyway, a guess is the best you can do, but at least you have shifted your position on that point to something more reasonable.
/// Secondly, the entire ethos of free speech is that anyone is free to criticise anyone else within the bounds of the law - and that is how and why phone-ins exist. ///
Obviously you don't listen to many (if any) LBC radio phone-ins, anyone criticising Blacks or Asian in the way these two callers were, are immediatly cut off. //
I am outside the broadcast range of LBC, so I will concede your point on that aspect of the discussion.
/// If you were only allowed to criticise Muslims and others not born in the UK by being a Muslim, or not born in the UK, your contributions to the Answerbank would cease instantly. ///
// Don't confuse AnswerBank or any other internet outlet, with the general media. //
I have no idea what you are talking about – we are on AB, what do other outlets have to do with anything we are discussing?
/// The notion that any British person criticising another culture would be deemed as racist demonstrates yet again that you do not appear to have a firm grasp on the meaning of the term which you love to use so much. ///
// By your reckoning, it should be those certain others on AB and not me, that you should accuse of not having a firm grasp on the meaning of the term racism, after all it is them who regularly dish out the word racist, I should know I have it levelled at me, just for holding an opinion over the introduction mass multiracism and multiculturalism to this country. //
Again, not what we are discussing. For the record, as a Moderator, if I see a direct reference to anyone as a racist, I will, and have done on your behalf more than once, delete it. But again, that is not what we are discussing.
andy-hughes
/// But that's not what we are discussing - you should know that, it's your OP we are debating, ///
That is exactly what we are discussing, the cruise ship story is just a prime example of how it seems perfectly in order for some to criticise the 'Brits' and their culture, but completely out of order to criticise certain other races and their culture, unless one is labelled racist for doing so.
/// But that's not what we are discussing - you should know that, it's your OP we are debating, ///
That is exactly what we are discussing, the cruise ship story is just a prime example of how it seems perfectly in order for some to criticise the 'Brits' and their culture, but completely out of order to criticise certain other races and their culture, unless one is labelled racist for doing so.
andy-hughes
And there you have it – by your own admission, you are ‘guessing’ at someone’s racial origin based entirely on his accent, and without sight of the gentleman concerned. As I said, that is a flimsy basis for your assumption.
I never said that one could guess everyone's racial origin from their accent, but in the case of the gentleman who was on the phone I certainly could, just as I could if he had happened to have a broad Birmingham accent, Liverpool, Cockney or Georgie accent.
// Don't confuse AnswerBank or any other internet outlet, with the general media. //
/// I have no idea what you are talking about – we are on AB, what do other outlets have to do with anything we are discussing? ///
Are you being purposely possessing a lack of understanding?
The pointy that I obviously made was the fact that we are much free to discuss such matters on AB and other web sites than one is allowed to, via the nation's broadcasting media.
/// Again, not what we are discussing. For the record, as a Moderator, if I see a direct reference to anyone as a racist, I will, and have done on your behalf more than once, delete it. But again, that is not what we are discussing. ///
Wasn't it you who entered my lack of understanding of the term racist into this discussion?
Therefore I had every right to challenge you on it.
And there you have it – by your own admission, you are ‘guessing’ at someone’s racial origin based entirely on his accent, and without sight of the gentleman concerned. As I said, that is a flimsy basis for your assumption.
I never said that one could guess everyone's racial origin from their accent, but in the case of the gentleman who was on the phone I certainly could, just as I could if he had happened to have a broad Birmingham accent, Liverpool, Cockney or Georgie accent.
// Don't confuse AnswerBank or any other internet outlet, with the general media. //
/// I have no idea what you are talking about – we are on AB, what do other outlets have to do with anything we are discussing? ///
Are you being purposely possessing a lack of understanding?
The pointy that I obviously made was the fact that we are much free to discuss such matters on AB and other web sites than one is allowed to, via the nation's broadcasting media.
/// Again, not what we are discussing. For the record, as a Moderator, if I see a direct reference to anyone as a racist, I will, and have done on your behalf more than once, delete it. But again, that is not what we are discussing. ///
Wasn't it you who entered my lack of understanding of the term racist into this discussion?
Therefore I had every right to challenge you on it.
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