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Whilst not condoning this behaviour by a certain few, LBC radio decided to make this a news subject for their phone in.
Having listened to this I was surprised at the way this behaviour was criticised as being part of our British (but mainly English) behaviour when we are abroad.
Two callers one a Black male and an Asian lady, who I suppose would demand that they were British born and bred, were amongst those who slagged off 'The Brit's' culture.
The Asian Lady criticised the way British women dressed when they were abroad, with their skimpy attire and tattooed arms. Whilst the Black fellow chose to link 'The Brit's' aggressive behaviour back to the days of our Empire.
Why is this sort of criticism of our behaviour and culture allowed, yet if we criticise other's cultures and their behaviour, we are classed as being racist? Indeed it would never be allowed to be the subject for a radio phone in.
Whilst not condoning this behaviour by a certain few, LBC radio decided to make this a news subject for their phone in.
Having listened to this I was surprised at the way this behaviour was criticised as being part of our British (but mainly English) behaviour when we are abroad.
Two callers one a Black male and an Asian lady, who I suppose would demand that they were British born and bred, were amongst those who slagged off 'The Brit's' culture.
The Asian Lady criticised the way British women dressed when they were abroad, with their skimpy attire and tattooed arms. Whilst the Black fellow chose to link 'The Brit's' aggressive behaviour back to the days of our Empire.
Why is this sort of criticism of our behaviour and culture allowed, yet if we criticise other's cultures and their behaviour, we are classed as being racist? Indeed it would never be allowed to be the subject for a radio phone in.
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Spicerack - // I can tell people's ethnicity from their accents. Everyone can. //
No you can't, and neither can AOG.
You can take an educated guess, but you cannot know that you are accurate, and that is the entire point I am arguing with AOG - you cannot 'know' where someone is from based on how they speak, the best you can do is a guess.
I return again to Trevor MacDonald as an example - based on his accent, he sounds as British as the Houses of Parliament - but he is not.
No you can't, and neither can AOG.
You can take an educated guess, but you cannot know that you are accurate, and that is the entire point I am arguing with AOG - you cannot 'know' where someone is from based on how they speak, the best you can do is a guess.
I return again to Trevor MacDonald as an example - based on his accent, he sounds as British as the Houses of Parliament - but he is not.
AOG - // … the cruise ship story is just a prime example of how it seems perfectly in order for some to criticise the 'Brits' and their culture … //
Culture? Personally, I don't regard brawling and throwing furniture about as part of any 'culture' - but if you think it is, then fine, get into a state about people criticising it.
Personally I think its indefensible, I have no problem with anyone from anywhere criticising it - it makes me ashamed to be British.
Culture? Personally, I don't regard brawling and throwing furniture about as part of any 'culture' - but if you think it is, then fine, get into a state about people criticising it.
Personally I think its indefensible, I have no problem with anyone from anywhere criticising it - it makes me ashamed to be British.
andy-hughes
will you stop bringing Trevor Macdonald into the argument, as I have said before it was that particular gentleman on the radio phone in that I was referring too and by just listening to him he did posses a strong Caribbean accent.
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AOG - // … the cruise ship story is just a prime example of how it seems perfectly in order for some to criticise the 'Brits' and their culture … //
Culture? Personally, I don't regard brawling and throwing furniture about as part of any 'culture' - but if you think it is, then fine, get into a state about people criticising it. ///
I do not think it is and have never said that I did, it was the gentleman on the phone in that was criticising the British culture.
will you stop bringing Trevor Macdonald into the argument, as I have said before it was that particular gentleman on the radio phone in that I was referring too and by just listening to him he did posses a strong Caribbean accent.
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AOG - // … the cruise ship story is just a prime example of how it seems perfectly in order for some to criticise the 'Brits' and their culture … //
Culture? Personally, I don't regard brawling and throwing furniture about as part of any 'culture' - but if you think it is, then fine, get into a state about people criticising it. ///
I do not think it is and have never said that I did, it was the gentleman on the phone in that was criticising the British culture.
AOG - // I do not think it is and have never said that I did, it was the gentleman on the phone in that was criticising the British culture. //
If you don't think brawling is 'British culture', then why do you have an issue with anyone of any ethnicity complaining about it? Since it is clearly not 'British culture', who cares what anyone thinks about it?
If you don't think brawling is 'British culture', then why do you have an issue with anyone of any ethnicity complaining about it? Since it is clearly not 'British culture', who cares what anyone thinks about it?
AOG - // andy-hughes
will you stop bringing Trevor Macdonald into the argument, as I have said before it was that particular gentleman on the radio phone in that I was referring too and by just listening to him he did posses a strong Caribbean accent. //
Difficult, since he supplies a concrete example of the major flaw in your premise - that you can define a person's ethnicity by the accent they speak with.
As Sir Trevor demonstrates every time he opens his mouth - you can't.
will you stop bringing Trevor Macdonald into the argument, as I have said before it was that particular gentleman on the radio phone in that I was referring too and by just listening to him he did posses a strong Caribbean accent. //
Difficult, since he supplies a concrete example of the major flaw in your premise - that you can define a person's ethnicity by the accent they speak with.
As Sir Trevor demonstrates every time he opens his mouth - you can't.
Andy, I usually agree with you, but even I can see a flaw in your argument.
Black, brown and white people who grew up here have various British accents. We can’t tell their ethnicity without seeing them.
If a gentleman has a Jamaican accent he is almost certainly black. I can’t think of a single white person who has a Caribbean accent. Please correct me if you can.
Black, brown and white people who grew up here have various British accents. We can’t tell their ethnicity without seeing them.
If a gentleman has a Jamaican accent he is almost certainly black. I can’t think of a single white person who has a Caribbean accent. Please correct me if you can.
How about the late cricket commentator Tony Cozier?
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andy-hughes
When are you going to admit that you are putting up a ridiculous argument, by just referring to Trevor MacDonald.
I repeat yet again no person can identify the ethnicity of all persons just by their accent alone.
But in some cases, (as was the case with the gentleman on the phone-in), then one can.
But seeing that you, yourself seem to have difficulty in recognising the ethnicity of people, would you say that you couldn't tell if this person was white or black?
When are you going to admit that you are putting up a ridiculous argument, by just referring to Trevor MacDonald.
I repeat yet again no person can identify the ethnicity of all persons just by their accent alone.
But in some cases, (as was the case with the gentleman on the phone-in), then one can.
But seeing that you, yourself seem to have difficulty in recognising the ethnicity of people, would you say that you couldn't tell if this person was white or black?
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