Ben Act Letwin Amendment Palava..

[fender62]

this is seriously getting on my nerves, this whole brexit thwarting tactics....errr
i just want to see an end to it, leave obviously..how long can this go on, court cases to stop it
were all going to die, were doomed etc etc.

[douglas9401]

Tora's currently taking the cure in Vichy, hoovering up those sour grapes.

[jourdain2]

I hope so fender. I know that public sentiment is in favour of carrying out the 'Leave' vote, but only this morning OH had a chat with some people outside the newsagent's and they were mostly asking 'What is the point in voting any more?' People have already lost faith in the democratic process; the damage to our country is immense - thanks to strident Remainers, who have so much to answer for.

[Jackdaw33]

We need an election soon to cleanse the Augean stables but the opposition are running scared.

[diddlydo]

All the leavers need to go to Specsavers and be tested for short-sightedness.

[jno]

Boris is writing to the EU asking for a delay, but he's not going to sign it. That'll leave Brussels wondering who it's come from.

[THECORBYLOON]

Tweet from Laura Kuenssberg

"Govt is sending three documents to the EU tonight - the 1st, the Benn Act extension letter, exactly as set out in law, but that PM has not personally signed; 2nd, a cover note from Sir Tim Barrow and the 3rd, a letter signed by the PM arguing that further delay is a mistake"

[THECORBYLOON]

At the most recent case to go before the Court Of Session, the Advocate General said,
"that the Prime Minister accepts in relation to the 2019 Act:
...
...
That he is subject to the public law principle that he cannot frustrate its purpose or the purpose of its provisions. Thus he cannot act so as to prevent the letter requesting the specified extension in the Act from being sent.”
This will be going back to the Court again.

[Bertrum]

Does DHL do a pick up from a ditch then

[jim360]

It isn't a question of leg-pulling, Naomi. I accept the result. I do not accept how it has been implemented. This particular deal is anyway unpopular even with some of the most ardent of Brexit supporters -- Nigel Farage included, for example.

In reply to NJ: this Withdrawal Agreement is not a trade deal, it is true, but it *is* an agreement to have a period of between one and three years during which trading arrangements continue as before. A No Deal exit means one of two scenarios: either one or both sides impose punitive tariffs, thus destroying various markets; or the UK engages in no such protectionist measures, our markets are flooded with cheaper products, and the UK's home products are undercut and likely wrecked. One need only read the analysis of the relevant markets to see why No Deal means impoverishment. Everybody knows it. Even Johnson does, which is why his idea of "No Deal" was merely a bargaining chip to force the EU to submit to his demands, and when that failed, to force Parliament to submit to his demands -- and, if that too fails, then to get the people to force Parliament to submit to his demands.

[THECORBYLOON]

This link includes the text of the PM's second letter.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/10/text-of-boriss-letter-to-eu-an-extension-would-be-damaging-to-us-all/amp/

[Gromit]

Serious politicians with a stategy beat halfwits with nowt but dogma and and plan to cash in on the chaos.
Farage, Arron Banks, Rees Mogg, Cummings, et al, will have to wait longer to cash in on their plan to short bet against Sterling and make a fortune.

[pixie374]

//All the leavers need to go to Specsavers and be tested for short-sightedness.//

That's quite bizarre, did, because it only seems to be leavers that are looking ahead. Remainers have mostly only been concerned with how difficult it might be and with what might happen the week after we leave.

[jno]

pixie, that is looking ahead. Even JRM thinks it will take 50 years to work its way through the economy. (I'd previously guessed 20, but three have gone already and all that's happened is the currency has flopped.) Remainers are taking a long-term view of what's best for their country as well.

[fraser]

Call an election so we the public who voted in 2016 can get to drain the swamp that is Westminster,never mind if they are Tory,labour or libdums they are all traitors.

[THECORBYLOON]

Michael Gove disagrees. He said, in yesterday's debate, "Our democracy is a precious thing and our Parliament is a special place.

Our democracy depends on respect for difference and this Parliament thrives on respecting the sincerity and the commitment to public service of every member.

That is why I know deciding how to vote today, it is important that all of us recognise who argued to remain and still argue that it’s the best outcome, they do so as patriots.

But they take a different view from some of us."

[Old_Geezer]

The law is a weird thing, it comes up with judgements contrary to common sense, as we've seen recently. This 3 letter thing may go to court since blockers seem to know no other way to behave, but since it appears to have covered the demands of the act it ought to get nowhere. Which probably means that the unbiased judges will have the opportunity to tell the government they're wrong again.

[ToraToraTora]

OG "It's not the Irish border that's the problem, so much as the EU's insistence that it won't take seriously the peace issue in Ireland and insist on a hard EU border. If they weren't determined to cause problems in order to get their own way, there'd be no border problem" - TBF I don't blame the EUSSR for weaponising the Border non issue, but I do blame the 5th column collaborators in the HOQ for allowing them to. All we needed to do was say from the start, if you want a border have a word with your vassall state.

[ToraToraTora]

interesting that some of you seem to be wondering, on Satiurday night, where I am. Believe it or not I do have a life, you should try it.

[ToraToraTora]

jim: "A No Deal exit means one of two scenarios: either one or both sides impose punitive tariffs, thus destroying various markets" - err horror of horrors we could do a sensible free trade deal on day 1 "; or the UK engages in no such protectionist measures, our markets are flooded with cheaper products, and the UK's home products are undercut and likely wrecked" - I we engage in protectionist measures surely that stops us being flooded? That seems contradictory jim.

[gulliver1]

Some MPs are predicting it could take at least another five years to leave ,Oh dear Exit Brexit.