Would You Be Happy ? M&s Changing Room Policy

[Bobbisox1]

Sharing a dressing room with the opposite sex?
Again is this a case of ‘ pandering to the minority’ ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/marks-spencer-changing-rooms-gender-women-men-a9180391.html

[spathiphyllum]

"why do you not believe women might feel the same?"

Why has it taken to page ten to get to this, when i clearly outlined how i felt about it on page 2

10:55 Mon 04th Nov 2019

[Barmaid]

I wouldnt actually mind but then I do most of my shopping online. I dont really like queuing very much (irrespective of the gender of those in front of me).

I'm interested to know whether Spath is trans or has discussed this and similar issues with someone who is trans (as I have) before entering this debate with such passion. Because my friend absolutely states that this sort of tup thumping on her behalf along the lines of "it's their right and you are transphobic to have an opposite opinion" is actually the last sort of fuss she wants - it is counter productive and she realises that. We do not achieve a change in mindset by aggression, rudeness and name calling. Gentle listening and understanding of the views of others is what my friend would advocate.

For what it's worth, my friend gets more in the way of nonsense from men. She works in a very male environment and they are not very understanding at all (although following a nasty industrial action, she's not been exposed to their ridicule for some time now). Women are much more inclusive with her.

[Arksided]

It's hard being a girl isn't Spath ;-)

You've being told off by teacher, now back into your changing room.

[spathiphyllum]

I never said to disagree is trans phobic. It is not trans phobic to want separate changing rooms. Although some of the answers on this thread are certainly trans phobic such as denying their rights, and saying transwomen are simply men in a dress. Very ignorant.

I have had discussions with a group of trans people before, and I've also engaged in conversation with them solo. Transmen and transwomen. I don't have any trans in my friendship group though but they are in my social group. They don't often like to talk about it, but more just get on with their life. This is why i feel they should be able to just wakk into a room without a news report making a fuss out of it.. Simple answer? Just have one room for all.

[pixie374]

I have just double-check, and you haven't answered any questions spath. It looks like"tough" basically. Why would you say that to women, but not to trans people?
I can't work out whether you detest women, or just don't believe real women actually exist?

[spathiphyllum]

"Why would you say that to women, but not to trans people?"

Because Women aren't the ones fighting for their rights and to jsut be respected like a normal person.

As i've now said twice..

That is the same ideology as "straight rights" what SK bought up earlier. Straight people have never had to fight fr their rights.

[spathiphyllum]

Pixie you have an issue with transwomen so this is a hard discussion. I'm not going to answer any of your beat round the bush entrapment questions to try boost your ideology. You have issue with men fundamentally so we're never going to be able to discuss transwomen are we. Lets give up.

[Bobbisox1]

Spath I don’t want ‘One room for all ‘ how hard is that for you to understand?

[pixie374]

I have two good transsexual friends, spath. And they are very much along the thoughts of BM.
Please explain, as you keep ignoring this... which rights are you wanting for trans people, that they don't already have.
Are you really willing for women to lose their hard-won rights to safe spaces, in favour of men?

[spathiphyllum]

One room for all = Unisex room.

Many places already have them, such as most swimming pools and gay bars.

[spathiphyllum]

"which rights are you wanting for trans people, that they don't already have."

Look, i've been over this many times already.

The right for them to use whatever toilet they feel necessary without your judgement or you feeling vulnerable.

Pixie this is futile i'd much appreciate it if we left it here.

[pixie374]

Women have had to fight for centuries for their rights. Are you that unaware? Yes, I am perfectly happy to listen to you...
This is about men having the right to invade female spaces, whether they are comfortable or not. I understand you fighting for men, because you obviously are one, and don't understand women in the slightest. You don't even have enough respect to listen.

[pixie374]

Of course they can use toilets!!! Just not other people's. That is the same for everyone.

[spathiphyllum]

This is your problem. It's not just about women, it's about transmena and transwomen.

What cis women had to fight for it moot.

Remember when gays and blacks had to fight for rights? Now it's the trans community and people like you keep pushing them back. Get with the times.

[spathiphyllum]

"You don't even have enough respect to listen."

Coming from you asking me to clarify things I did on literally page 2 and asking me to answer questions that i've already answered.

Nice discussion pixie.... Have a good day now.

[pixie374]

I am. You aren't. You are obsessing about stereotypes, which most of us have long grown out of.
It is perfectly acceptable for men or women to dress, behave (within the law) as they wish. It is not acceptable to invade upon others.
You are several centuries behind real life. Accept people how they actually are... without agreeing they should have to lie.

[pixie374]

You haven't answered any questions...

[douglas9401]

I'm not sure which is worse, being the man with the corned beef tin or arguing with the man with the corned beef tin.

[THELOONYCORBYN]

11 pages and youre still trolling along....

"in my friendship group"
i bet they love listening to you spouting your opinions on every subject under the sun, endless going on and on until they agree with you just to shut you up...