Do You Think That Terrorists Can Be

[emmie]

rehabilitated, those say who languish in our prisons.

[pixie374]

PP, nobody seems to care what is true or not... just what is easy. Some muslims eat pork and bacon, some drink alcohol etc others don't. A bit like the rest of the population really.

[Peter Pedant]

// I don’t know the Koran word for word off by heart //
sura 2 174
pork is forbidden

come on Nigh - bite the bullet
"I agree with PP that surat 2 174 says Pork is forbidden
altho for some reason ( insanity probably or just plain old ignorance) there w sa day when I said there was not"

and dietary laws which exist in lots of religions
have no bearing on terrorism
but hey everybody - the iss AB and it is cold outside !

[pixie374]

The point is... whatever is "forbidden" or not, people make up their own minds, and follow the bits they like.

[naomi24]

Pixie, //we need to look at the actual causes, rather than the easy... blame it on a religion.//

The religion is the ‘actual’ cause. Without the religion, it wouldn’t be happening.

PP, I’ve told you what the Koran says. It should be no problem for an expert googler such as yourself to check it out. Foo! You don't even have to be a deep finker! ;o)

[Theland]

Naomi - spot on.

[ludwig]

"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion."

- quote attributed to Steven Weinberg.

[pixie374]

That isn't true, naomi... as I have said above. Neither is it the biggest cause... but a good excuse.
Ludwig, something being 'a quote' does not mean it makes sense.

[naomi24]

pixie. You’re searching for a reason when the reason is staring you in the face. It might not sit well with your preferred world view, but it’s the truth nonetheless. Listen to Anjem Choudary. He’ll tell you the truth.

[emmie]

I absolutely loathe that man, Choudary is in part responsible for Usman attacks.

[pixie374]

It isn't the truth... that is my point. If you look at the truth, science, statistics etc. It is far from the truth. And the longer we deny it, the further we are from ever being able to solve it.
Out of interest, if it was down to you to prevent all terrorist attacks next year... we can assume an equal number of individuals, to keep it fair...
Would you...
A) lock up all muslims (bearing in mind most are female, many are young children and many are elderly people...)
B) lock up males between the ages of 18-60

Which do you think would have the most effect

[emmie]

lets lock up those who do us harm whatever their persuasion. we seemed to have gone right off thread....

[pixie374]

We haven't gone off-thread, I think... the reasons for and against rehabilitation are valid?

[Peter Pedant]

// PP, I’ve told you what the Koran says.//
er I dont need you to tell me what the Koran says ....hut hey thankks anyway. somehow I think you sort of Trump translate it - ('it says haraam but that means "not haraam")

I read it myself, and yes I read it in Arabic

https://quran.com/2

is surat al bagarah ( but er of course you know that)

and off to 173

https://quran.com/2/173-183

and the English translation is below that curly scriptie thing
to wit:
"He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which......"

and haram is second word from the right and lahm ghanzir is fifth from left - put the cursor on the curls and it translates ....

I thought you said you had read the Koran - but er clearly not that bit

so once again - yes PP I agree that the Q says ......

[naomi24]

Pixie, their battle cry is ‘Allahu Akbar’ - God is the greatest - and they take their instruction from the Koran and other accepted Islamic literature. They are Islamists and there are none so devout as those who give their lives for their religion. To deny that is not only an insult to them (not that I mind you insulting them), but an insult to their thousands of innocent victims too - and that I do object to. Actually it's quite shameful. Forget your course in psychology. It's useless. None of it applies to the mindset under discussion here.

PP. Arabic - even your googled version - is clearly not your forte because you’ve missed a bit. I want to say ‘Stick to what you know - English’, but more realistically that would be ‘gobbledegook’ - and whilst you’re at it, hone your memory. If you want to be taken seriously a good memory is beneficial. ;o)

[fender62]

douglas murray is correct, our courts are weak..
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-7761639/DOUGLAS-MURRAY-lax-terror-midst.html

[pixie374]

I know that, naomi... just that is doesn't relate to all muslims and finding genuine reasons and causes are more useful than stereotypes a nd presumptions.
//your course in psychology// bless ya, lol x

[naomi24]

Pixie, //finding genuine reasons and causes //

We know the genuine reasons and causes. There is no doubt about the genuine reasons and causes.

I thought you said you'd done a course in psychology? No?

[pixie374]

I've never given my full qualifications and experience here, it just amused me that you tried to minimise it x

[naomi24]

I didn't 'try' to do anything. You say you've completed a course in psychology and I take your word for it. If you want to 'big' that up, that's up to you - but don't be surprised if the reader is less than impressed.

[pixie374]

I have never used those words... that could be a 6 week course, which tells you nothing more than you would already know. You don't know what I have done.
I don't know what your qualifications are with religion either, but I have enough respect to read what you say, without referring to your "course on religion".