All This Cash Being Raised For The Nhs ...

[youngmafbog]

Where will it go?

Now I am not knocking peoples efforts but I am suspicious of such large sums of money and a monolithic organisation like the NHS.

Will it end up being used 'for the people' or for front line or will it, as usual just disappear into the the useless NHS managers pockets?

[TonyV]

Lynne thought I had so pls forgive me for recycling my experience, just a very vivid memory, that will remain with me for life.

[Zacs-Master]

NJ, you can choose which hospital you want to go to. It’s not true that you can’t go to one closer to where you live or outside your ‘zone’.
https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/nhs-services/hospitals/about-nhs-hospital-services/#choice

[New Judge]

//NJ, you can choose which hospital you want to go to. It’s not true that you can’t go to one closer to where you live or outside your ‘zone’.//

Yes thanks, Zacs. Went through all that (as you can imagine I am not one to be easily palmed off with misleading information). Our GP indicated that she would have to submit an "individual funding application" for the treatment with a likely turn-round time of four to six weeks minimum, that it would probably be rejected in the first instance (as similar treatment was available at a "reasonable" alternative venue), and that an appeal against the decision would take as long again. Alas the physio was needed a little more immediately than that and in any case one should not have to jump administrative hurdles to gain access to fairly basic services near to home. The problem with the NHS (as is apparent with one or two aspects of the handling of the virus outbreak) is that it revolves around forms rather than medicine. Strangely since last year the hospital in question has also ceased providing physio treatment.

[New Judge]

And I forgot to add that the cost of administering such an application (and possible appeal) would almost certainly have exceeded - by a tidy margin - the cost of two or three physio sessions which was all that was needed. It wasn't a sixteen hour brain operation she was after, just two or three half hours with a physiotherapist. But, of course, pragmatism must not get in the way of bureaucracy.

[fender62]

why not an outside body expense free, buy what the staff are asking for, direct from manufacturers.. are nhs managers allowed to take a slice of this cash, if so named and shamed and action taken by the government.. managers sacked and given a good hiding.

[teacake44]

May be a percentage should go to the families of the NHS nurses that have died, children that have been left without a mom or dad.?

[Zacs-Master]

NJ, your GP wasn’t being very helpful. There is zero reason why you couldn’t have been treated at the hospital nearest to you (unless they don’t do what your wife needed of course but I don’t think this is the case).

[douglas9401]

I expect a very grand plaque somewhere, unveiled by a sombre dignitary, possibly royal, the rest being wasted on useless stuff.

[sp1814]

NJ

"It is broken up into smaller localised units - at least as far as treatment goes."

And how would these units be funded?

If they are to receive centralised funding what is the benefits of these new trusts?

You say that treatments would nee localised - would that mean that if you lived in a certain catchment area, you could only be treated by a specific hospital?

What if you were a person with heart problems and the best cardiology department was in a hospital outside your area?

How would these local trusts be funded?

Local taxation?

[sp1814]

NJ

My main point was about NHS managers. There's a common idea that they're useless and it's only the frontline staff that matter.

I think that conclusion is problematic.

[New Judge]

//NJ, your GP wasn’t being very helpful.//

Indeed not, Zacs. Seems to be part of her job description. I have little time for GPs. Bunch of overpaid charlatans and snake oil merchants. "Take two of these twice daily. If you're not dead or better in a couple of weeks come back and see me and I'll send you to somebody who knows what they're talking about" seems about par for the course. The NHS could save a fortune by providing GP services online. Run through your symptoms then direct you to a suitable clinician who deals with bones/guts/lungs/throats, as appropriate. Fortunately Mrs NJ suffered no ill effects from being *** about by NHS bureaucracy but I'm sure there are many who do.

[sivam]

I am sure the captains daughter will ensure that it is put to a cause in keeping with their wishes. A very clued up lady who set it up in the first place.

[New Judge]

//And how would these units be funded?//

I've no idea, sp. And furthermore I don't care. All I know is that our taxes go to fund a National Health Service (the clue being in the name - i.e. across the nation) but Mrs NJ couldn't be treated in a hospital across the road without becoming involved in a farce of epic proportions. I don't really know or care how they shovel money from here to there and back again and we should not have to contend with nonsensical bureaucracy to get a couple of hours treatment. Part of the NHS's problems revolve around this top heavy bureaucracy and more money funnelled into the service simply means more bean counters to count it.

[fender62]

to many chiefs not enough indians..

[NickorWan]

//If you're not dead or better in a couple of weeks come back and see me and I'll send you to somebody who knows what they're talking about" seems about par for the course.//

Very true. I suppose though if a decent percentage died or got better you could argue that they are doing their job by reducing the workload of the specialists.

[sp1814]

NJ

//Part of the NHS's problems revolve around this top heavy bureaucracy and more money funnelled into the service simply means more bean counters to count it//

Some interesting points.

[Peter Pedant]

Good question
before giving ebven to the sweet old man
or especially to the sweet old man - -

find out what the charitable object is - and how much goes on admin and then give by giftaid

from the blirb - the conts are going into a charity account which is not takig a cut ( usually 5%)

[Peter Pedant]

// I have little time for them. Bunch of overpaid charlatans and snake oil merchants//

no - those are lawyers - ter daaah !

for most people reading this - the av Aber should bear in mind that the GP is gate keeper for most of the pathways in the NHS - and therefore holds a key position
and it is hardly ever in the patients interest to by pass them

there ! I have said it -
ho hum - but this is AB etc etc

for my various cancers and relapses I have always found my GP very helfpul

[youngmafbog]

" There's a common idea that they're useless and it's only the frontline staff that matter."

Well I happen to know that they have many useless managers. It is also not rocket science to work out there is a problem with so much money pumped in and a poor service in return (Tha is NOT the fault of the front line).

There are layers and layers of management, the NHS is full of 'empires'. In private companies these get culled every so often, this has not happened in the NHS.

If this problem is not sorted the NHS will collapse.

[Zacs-Master]

Which layer or layers of NHS managers aren’t required, YMB?