Rip Little Richard

[tiggerblue10]

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/little-richard-dead-48505/

[andy-hughes]

sunny dave - // 1. Without The Beatles there would have been no Merseybeats?

2. Without Bert Weedon there would have been no Jimi Hendrix?

I’d put the Little Richard / Beatles / Holly causation much closer to (2) than (1) in likelihood of veracity ... //

I am not sure what point you are making.

There is a clear identifiable linke between the music of Little Richard and Buddy Holly, and The Beatles. It's identifiable because The Beatles have identified it themselves many times in many interviews, quite apart from the musical influence which is clearly audible.

No such link can be ascribed to Bert Weedon and Jimi Hendrix.

A link between Bert Weedon and Hank Marvin and Jimmy Page is valid, because again there is evidence from their own words of the influences involved.

[royfromaus]

It's not nit-picking, it's a belief I held when someone a tad more famous than you said it.

It's a nonsense statement.

[andy-hughes]

roy - // It's not nit-picking, it's a belief I held when someone a tad more famous than you said it.

It's a nonsense statement. //

I have explained the rationale behind my post.

If you want to ignore it and carry on being pointlessly confrontational - again - then feel free, but you are on your own doing so.

[royfromaus]

I'm voicing my opinion. The fact that you think it is confrontational says more about you than me.

[Mozz71]

Little Richard was a big influence on The Beatles, but whether he was crucial to their formation, is debatable. They were just as influenced by skiffle, Chuck Berry, Roy Orbison, Carl Perkins...

If anything, Little Richard was a bigger influence on Jagger.

[andy-hughes]

roy - // I'm voicing my opinion. The fact that you think it is confrontational says more about you than me. //

The fact that I think it's confrontational is based on personal experience.

But let's run with it then - are you willing to expound on your reasons as to why you believe my statement is invalid, including the 'famous' person who said something, and what that was?

[royfromaus]

I wouldn't have thought you needed telling.

without Elvis there would be no Beatles

What nonsense.

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - // Little Richard was a big influence on The Beatles, but whether he was crucial to their formation, is debatable. They were just as influenced by skiffle, Chuck Berry, Roy Orbison, Carl Perkins... //

As I have explained, I would not suggest that any one musician is crucial to the formation of any group - that is clearly not true.

// If anything, Little Richard was a bigger influence on Jagger. //

That is also clearly not true.

Jagger's influences were almost entirely blues-based, something he shared in common with Keith Richard.

There are many musical examples of the influence of Little Richard on the music of The Beatles - less I would suggest in the music of The Stones.

[andy-hughes]

roy - // I wouldn't have thought you needed telling. //

Well, I do - care to educate me?

[Mozz71]

Not a influence musically Andy, but in performance. Without the flamboyance of folk like Little Richard people like Jagger, Elton and Bowie would've looked and performed very differently.

[Mozz71]

//As I have explained, I would not suggest that any one musician is crucial to the formation of any group - that is clearly not true.//

Oh, I don't know. Without The Beatles, the Gallagher brothers would've been another pair of Manc thugs. It's unlikely Noel would ever have picked up a guitar without the Fab Four.

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - // //As I have explained, I would not suggest that any one musician is crucial to the formation of any group - that is clearly not true.//

Oh, I don't know. Without The Beatles, the Gallagher brothers would've been another pair of Manc thugs. It's unlikely Noel would ever have picked up a guitar without the Fab Four. //

It's equally unlikely that Noel confined his musical listening entirely and exclusively to The Beatles.

[Mozz71]

Yeah, but no one inspired him like Lennon did. Maybe Paul Weller at a push, but I stand by my statement, No Beatles mean no Oasis.

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - // Not a influence musically Andy, but in performance. Without the flamboyance of folk like Little Richard people like Jagger, Elton and Bowie would've looked and performed very differently. //

I can agree there - although I think you will find that far higher up the influence list for Jagger, is James Brown.

https://time.com/3025167/mick-jagger-james-brown-interview-legacy/

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - // Yeah, but no one inspired him like Lennon did. Maybe Paul Weller at a push, but I stand by my statement, No Beatles mean no Oasis. //

Fine - then you can await castigation from royfromaus when he returns to educate me in my shortcomings when it comes to understanding rock and pop music.

[Mozz71]

I concede the James Brown point. I have to admit, I didn't think of him.

[Mozz71]

//Fine - then you can await castigation from royfromaus when he returns to educate me in my shortcomings when it comes to understanding rock and pop music.//

Won't happen, as I respect other's opinions, even if I don't agree with them, rather than accuse them of confrontation for expressing them. ;o)

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - // Won't happen, as I respect other's opinions, even if I don't agree with them, rather than accuse them of confrontation for expressing them. ;o) //

Well excuse me all to heck!

Regulars on this site, and you are one of them, will know that roy, in his current and alleged previous incarnations, has a history of personal animosity with me, leading me to reference it, which is perfectly reasonable.

I do respect opinions, I don't respect animosity, but since roy assures he me is expressing an opinion, I am happy to continue to debate with him.

Sorry your sense of humour doesn't extend to seeing my jokey reference to roy's castigation, but none of us is perfect.

[Ellipsis]

RIP Little Richard

[Mozz71]

Andy, the winking face indicates that I was being sarcastic. Lighten up fella.