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‘Discrimination’ May Be Factor In Disproportionate B A M E Deaths Among Nhs Staff
//Black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) medics and healthcare workers say "systemic discrimination" on the frontline of the coronavirus outbreak may be a factor in the disproportionate number of their colleagues who have died after contracting the virus.//
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Why then are deaths among ethnic minorities disproportionately higher outside the NHS too? I think another reason needs to be sought.
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Why then are deaths among ethnic minorities disproportionately higher outside the NHS too? I think another reason needs to be sought.
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Sp, //I supposed if you look for something.//
It's far from unknown.
//There are certain people here who absolutely believed accusations of antisemitism in the Labour Party, but who don't believe this report.//
If ethnic minorities outside the NHS and around the world weren’t similarly disproportionately represented in statistics the report might make sense. As it is, it doesn’t.
It's far from unknown.
//There are certain people here who absolutely believed accusations of antisemitism in the Labour Party, but who don't believe this report.//
If ethnic minorities outside the NHS and around the world weren’t similarly disproportionately represented in statistics the report might make sense. As it is, it doesn’t.
Sp, I’ve stated my position. I would hate - absolutely hate - for this situation where people from ethnic minorities are dying in droves to be attributed to the wrong cause. We can’t prevent it if we don’t know what’s causing it - and it stands to reason that if it’s happening both inside and outside the NHS, racism isn’t the reason. It saddens me that anyone would rather jump on that bandwagon than seek real answers.
naomi24
You wrote:
//If ethnic minorities outside the NHS and around the world weren’t similarly disproportionately represented in statistics the report might make sense. As it is, it doesn’t.//
Explain 'similarly disproportionately represented'
Show me your sources please.
Mine:
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In the general population you can see that there as more BAME deaths due to Covid-19 (15% general population to about 19.5% of deaths), but when you look at clinical staff, the figures BAME individuals account for 63%, 64% and 95% of deaths in the same staff groups.
You wrote:
//If ethnic minorities outside the NHS and around the world weren’t similarly disproportionately represented in statistics the report might make sense. As it is, it doesn’t.//
Explain 'similarly disproportionately represented'
Show me your sources please.
Mine:
https:/
https:/
In the general population you can see that there as more BAME deaths due to Covid-19 (15% general population to about 19.5% of deaths), but when you look at clinical staff, the figures BAME individuals account for 63%, 64% and 95% of deaths in the same staff groups.
My point is this - the disease is killing black and ethnic minority people at a greater rate than in the white community.
However, it's killing off BAME NHS staff at a *much* higher rate.
It may be biological (genetic susceptibility), medical (due to association with diseases such as hypertension and diabetes which are risk factors for poor outcome from covid-19), or sociological (and that would encompass factors such as discrimination).
It's not right to pull figures out of the air and say, "It can't be due to racism because black people are dying all over."
That's reductive.
However, it's killing off BAME NHS staff at a *much* higher rate.
It may be biological (genetic susceptibility), medical (due to association with diseases such as hypertension and diabetes which are risk factors for poor outcome from covid-19), or sociological (and that would encompass factors such as discrimination).
It's not right to pull figures out of the air and say, "It can't be due to racism because black people are dying all over."
That's reductive.
naomi24
Have you decided that racism has no part in this?
You wrote:
//Look in any newspaper if you want sources. Every one of them will tell you that ethnic minorities the world over are disproportionately represented. Don’t you want to know why?//
Absolutely - but I wouldn't use the story to state my position with regard to racism. But why do you think you're in a position to determine whether discrimination exists in the NHS?
When you posted this, weren't you looking to state you position on racism in this context?
Looking at your OP, it does not look like you were curious for answers. It looks like you had your answer and wanted to share it.
I might be wrong.
(I'm not though).
Have you decided that racism has no part in this?
You wrote:
//Look in any newspaper if you want sources. Every one of them will tell you that ethnic minorities the world over are disproportionately represented. Don’t you want to know why?//
Absolutely - but I wouldn't use the story to state my position with regard to racism. But why do you think you're in a position to determine whether discrimination exists in the NHS?
When you posted this, weren't you looking to state you position on racism in this context?
Looking at your OP, it does not look like you were curious for answers. It looks like you had your answer and wanted to share it.
I might be wrong.
(I'm not though).
Sp, //When you posted this, weren't you looking to state you position on racism in this context?//
You needn’t try to dissect my posts to put your own interpretation on them, What I say I mean. Always. When ethnic minorities are disproportionately represented in the wider world it makes no sense to blame the disproportionate number of deaths among ethnic minorities within the NHS on racism. None. I want answers - real answers.
So, yes - you are wrong.
You needn’t try to dissect my posts to put your own interpretation on them, What I say I mean. Always. When ethnic minorities are disproportionately represented in the wider world it makes no sense to blame the disproportionate number of deaths among ethnic minorities within the NHS on racism. None. I want answers - real answers.
So, yes - you are wrong.
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