And What If They Dont ?...

[TheWholeTruth]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/black-lives-matter-protesters-must-083956063.html?guccounter=1

Will they be getting down on one knee and asking them in a nice subservient manner to go home, so as not be accused of racism or anything ?....god forbid they dont kow tow to minority demands...

[mushroom25]

// Both are only criminals in retrospect. //

what did Sir Thomas Guy do in his lifetime that was indictable, Pixie?

[pixie374]

Neither have been charged with anything.

[dannyk13]

Jimmy Savile only avoided being charged by dying.

[mushroom25]

//Neither have been charged with anything. //

that's not what I asked, Pixie.

[naomi24]

//Jimmy savile was never charged. Both are only criminals in retrospect. //

Thomas Guy was never a criminal - not even in retrospect. He broke no laws. As well as founding Guys hospital, //he bequeathed financial support for the releasing and discharging of poor prisoners for debt out of prisons in London, Middlesex and Surrey and made various provisions for the homeless as well as sick.// That from Wiki.

All in all not such a bad chap - just one getting a lot of bad press.

[pixie374]

It wasn't me that brought him up. Both are innocent within their lifetime. We have found out more since... and no longer celebrate either of them.

[pixie374]

Neither are criminals, technically. The point is, we don't have to celebrate somebody who we now know differently about. Life moves on. And let's be honest, if there had been a statue of Jimmy Savile outside Stole Mandeville, that had been removed, defaced, pushed over.... how many of you would be outraged about that?
We have learnt. We move on.

[naomi24]

'We' Pixie? I'll grant you condemnation of Savile - willingly - but where Thomas Guy is concerned you don't speak for me.

[pixie374]

The public....

[mushroom25]

// Both are innocent within their lifetime. We have found out more since //

you can't judge people's actions or omissions of hundreds of years ago by the statutes of today. can you imagine how overwhelmed the courts would be if they were filled with retrospective actions against the estates of the long dead?

[shoota]

Watch Match of the Day here -

[naomi24]

You don't speak for the public either.

[pixie374]

You are getting confused, mushroom. Nobody is suggesting charging dead people. It is about the type of people (if any) that we want to celebrate nowadays.

[pixie374]

Obviously. I speak for myself and what I've seen.

[Mozz71]

Whether Savile was charged or not is utterly irrelevant in this instance. Stop nit-picking and stick to the point of the comparison. Thomas Guy was a fecking saint compared to Savile, but the point is, AS YOU ALL KNOW, is that sometimes, good causes can benefit by bad people (of various levels of badness). Don't base a decision on whether to use something on the actions of someone who once helped them, it's utter stupidity to do that.

[Mozz71]

From where is that video taken Shoota? I've seen more black faces at a Britain First march.

[shoota]

But returning to the OP...
I don't have insider information but I think that any troublemakers will meet with a more robust response this weekend than last.

[naomi24]

Mozz, I fear the principle here has gone right over your head. It's not that people who want Thomas Guy erased from history 'shouldn't' use it - it's that they should object to using it on the grounds that it was founded by the spoils of the very atrocity they're objecting to.... but they don't.

[naomi24]

//I think that any troublemakers will meet with a more robust response this weekend than last. //

I really hope so, shoota.