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Tommy Robinson Arrested Again...
Is there a thread about it?
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Andy, I agree that while you're not entirely to blame, you're always central to events leading to derailment. That's my tuppence worth, but I'm not commenting further unless it's to do with the thread's original topic.
22:56 Mon 02nd Nov 2020
//Just like the assumption he isn't guilty by those wishing to defend him you mean? //
I haven't defended him at all. But I don't condemn any one without being found guilty first in a recognised court of law. As Naomi mentions earlier that is pure bigotry.
I note that you always have your carefully saved script ready to trot out again everytime Tommy Robinson or whatever name he choses is pulled in. Released with out charge? I suppose you would think he or anyone else would be out of order in claiming wrongful arrest as well.
I haven't defended him at all. But I don't condemn any one without being found guilty first in a recognised court of law. As Naomi mentions earlier that is pure bigotry.
I note that you always have your carefully saved script ready to trot out again everytime Tommy Robinson or whatever name he choses is pulled in. Released with out charge? I suppose you would think he or anyone else would be out of order in claiming wrongful arrest as well.
retro, you seem to have fallen into the AB trap of not remembering what you actually wrote.
You wrote 'accused of playing the victim on an assumption' [by certain ABers] which seems to predicate your assumption that he isn't innocent otherwise, why make the comment.
I make no apologies for my copy & past showing what kind of person TR is. It's strange you pick out one point about his being released without charge rather than the other litany of his other misdemeanours and moral failings.
There's a big difference between TR and 'anyone else' (or at least the vast majority of the public). If you can't see that then that's you're issue.
You wrote 'accused of playing the victim on an assumption' [by certain ABers] which seems to predicate your assumption that he isn't innocent otherwise, why make the comment.
I make no apologies for my copy & past showing what kind of person TR is. It's strange you pick out one point about his being released without charge rather than the other litany of his other misdemeanours and moral failings.
There's a big difference between TR and 'anyone else' (or at least the vast majority of the public). If you can't see that then that's you're issue.
It would appear the police showed little concern with regard to all the other crowd who we must guess were breaking covid laws. It takes about 20 officers to arrest one man. That is overkill and they obviously came out in force with a mission. Why was he not dealt with by summons if he had committed an offence? As Zacs has provided us with his antecedents the police will know where he lived so why the drama?
Clearly he was targeted and had he been a black youth the police would of been well and truly lambasted for alleged stereotyping and Harassment.
Big change of policy. The police have been told not to arrest unless absolutely necessary in public order situations. It takes an inordinate number away from the front line.Considering it appears he was later released without charge it would appear he had not committed any dire acts that would justify an arrest and 20 odd coppers to drag him away. Pathetic.
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Am I right in thinking you are happy to be stopped and arrested just on your past record without actual evidence of any misdemeanors because that is what the black community are complaining about. They state they are being stereotyped or targeted by the police just as you agree Robinson is being targeted. Right oh.
roy - // andy-hughes
roy - // Essentially, some ABers agree with the police harassing citizens even when they have done nothing wrong.
Bizarre attitude. //
Would you care to indicate the posts that suggest that 'agreement'?
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What is wrong with you? //
Why should anything be wrong with me?
You have made an assertion which, if legitimate, is based on a post or posts you have read, and I am asking you to point them out, in the interests of fair debate.
if there are no posts, and you are simply guessing, then say so, and we can know that you are not adding to the debate in a meaningful way, you are, not for the first time, blowing smoke.
roy - // Essentially, some ABers agree with the police harassing citizens even when they have done nothing wrong.
Bizarre attitude. //
Would you care to indicate the posts that suggest that 'agreement'?
__________________________
What is wrong with you? //
Why should anything be wrong with me?
You have made an assertion which, if legitimate, is based on a post or posts you have read, and I am asking you to point them out, in the interests of fair debate.
if there are no posts, and you are simply guessing, then say so, and we can know that you are not adding to the debate in a meaningful way, you are, not for the first time, blowing smoke.
retrocop - // It takes about 20 officers to arrest one man. That is overkill and they obviously came out in force with a mission. //
I think you'll find it takes one officer to arrest one man, maybe two if the individual is a proven violent thug.
In the case of 'Tommy Robinson', the remaining eighteen / nineteen are there to ensure that their fellow officer(s) can conduct their arrest without having to fight off the violent mob of 'supporters' that 'Robinson' habitually surrounds himself with when he is making his usual clownish public appearances.
I think you'll find it takes one officer to arrest one man, maybe two if the individual is a proven violent thug.
In the case of 'Tommy Robinson', the remaining eighteen / nineteen are there to ensure that their fellow officer(s) can conduct their arrest without having to fight off the violent mob of 'supporters' that 'Robinson' habitually surrounds himself with when he is making his usual clownish public appearances.
retrocop - // But I don't condemn any one without being found guilty first in a recognised court of law. As Naomi mentions earlier that is pure bigotry. //
Naomi did not point that out at all.
I did not refer to 'Tommy Robinson' as being found guilty, or indeed not, in a court of law, I referred to his potential response to his situation.
If you are going to refer to naomi's post, please be kind enough to refer to it in the context it was offered, and don't shoehorn it into your argument without a valid reason.
Naomi did not point that out at all.
I did not refer to 'Tommy Robinson' as being found guilty, or indeed not, in a court of law, I referred to his potential response to his situation.
If you are going to refer to naomi's post, please be kind enough to refer to it in the context it was offered, and don't shoehorn it into your argument without a valid reason.
retrocop - // Am I right in thinking you are happy to be stopped and arrested just on your past record without actual evidence of any misdemeanors because that is what the black community are complaining about. //
I am sure that the seismic leap between an unknown and unconvicted black person receiving inappropriate police attention, and 'Tommy Robinson' who has literally made a profession out of agitating violently and getting arrested for his self-induced high profile behavior being the subject of entirely appropriate police attention cannot have escaped you?
Or can it?
I am sure that the seismic leap between an unknown and unconvicted black person receiving inappropriate police attention, and 'Tommy Robinson' who has literally made a profession out of agitating violently and getting arrested for his self-induced high profile behavior being the subject of entirely appropriate police attention cannot have escaped you?
Or can it?
Police didn't have to be there, they chose to be there for a prearranged wrongful arrest.
It played well with the allu akbars in the park and, obviously, the terminally stupid who think anyone they don't like should be permanently harassed by a biased (fascist) police force.
Normal people with a brain, not so much.
It played well with the allu akbars in the park and, obviously, the terminally stupid who think anyone they don't like should be permanently harassed by a biased (fascist) police force.
Normal people with a brain, not so much.
// // But I don't condemn any one without being found guilty first in a recognised court of law. As Naomi mentions earlier that is pure bigotry. //
erm boys and gurlz loath as I am to point out AB is a focus of pure rubbish as usual - this makes Hilter innocent of genocide ( no trial remember ) Dietrich Bonhoeffer guilty of attempted murder
but hey so what - - - this is AB - so nothing has t make sense
erm boys and gurlz loath as I am to point out AB is a focus of pure rubbish as usual - this makes Hilter innocent of genocide ( no trial remember ) Dietrich Bonhoeffer guilty of attempted murder
but hey so what - - - this is AB - so nothing has t make sense
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