Wny Another Week Of Lockdown And The Insane Tiers?

[diddlydo]

The magic R number is below 1 so why are we enduring yet more and more hardship and restrcictions?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55105285

[Jackdaw33]

Re woofgang @ 19.35.

How on earth did that woman manage to smash 500 bottles before security intervened? 5 or 50 I could understand, but 500?

[cashier]

Not all health professionals want tighter restrictions, I know a few who just want to go back to normal. Just because somebody does or says something you disagree with it doesn't make you right and them wrong. It means they have their opinions and you have yours. Perhaps you should have a little more respect for that. The virus isn't going away it will be here for a long time, viruses don't go away.

[bobbinwales]

epic fail cashier. A said

[bobbinwales]

epic fail cashier. A said MOST. That's true in my view. I hear few doctors wanting looser restrictions and more infections but if you know one or two fair enough, thats right in your world then. I dont hear the helath leaders and scientists saying that. None of them

[bobbinwales]

not sure why it didnt all appear first time but it was still all there in my answer box

[Deskdiary]

"Are you thinking your clever? You found a way to get round the rules? And now your boasting you'll break them. Wow. How sellfish. And peopel wonder why infections, hospital cases and deaths are rising and restrictions are needed. Well as a tory you deserve a labour goverment and even tighter restrictions. Careful what you wish for."

And this non-thinking idiocy from Welsh Bob neatly exposes the abdication of common sense we're meant to unquestionably accept.

My popping over the border to East Sussex, half a mile away from me, for a pint, when the Kent problem is 50 miles away from me, is not suddenly going to turn East Sussex into a Covid ridden wasteland.

[andy-hughes]

I have wondered since the start of the stats coming in, whether the measure of actual Covid deaths is anywhere near accurate enough to base the current restricttions on them.

The 'death within twenty-eight days of a Covid infection' is, in my view, seriously misleading.

Older people with underlying conditions are clearly more prone to infection, but that in itself does not indicate tha the infection actually killed them, and that is where I believe the stats are misleading.

If the NHS rcorded deaths likely to have occured in the near future regardless of infection, and deleted them from the Covid total, i think the picture would look very different.

I also think that the media inclination to link infection with impending fatality is also sending out a wrong message - the vast majority of infected people recover, but the information is heavily weighted to suggest otherwise.

[bobbinwales]

And you wonder why it spreads and theres an epidemic, crisis and the lockdowns /restrictions continue. . Play your part and itll be ove rquicker. By trying to be clever and selfish peopel are making it worse for themselfs and others. How sellfish and shortsighted. We'd never have won the war if peopel acted like this

[bobbinwales]

excess deaths is a better measure as am sure jim and Peter Peddant will explain, but that gives a much bigger figure of course, maybe 70000 in UK, so that kills that argument dead andy-hughes

[cashier]

Epic fail nothing. As I said you should perhaps have more respect for other people's opinions and not automatically assume you are right and they are wrong. People are entitled to their opinions, just because you blindly believe everything Johnson and Hancock say, it doesn't mean everybody should. I know a damn sight more than one or two medical professionals, so another wrong assumption on your part.

[bobbinwales]

Infections leads to hospital admissions 7 or so days later which leads to deaths mayybe 14 days later. there is a strong link. Yes more infections now are younger peopel whoa re much more likely to shake it off but others can catch it and deaths are still rising- 500-600 a day. May not sound much but thats 16000 a month.

[cashier]

No we would have never won the war if people hid away all the time. It will not be over the virus won't just vanish.

[bobbinwales]

cashier do youngmafbog, new judge, dave50 etc and others say they may be wrong - no they dont . On the balance of probabilitys the scientists and doctors and are elected leaders are more likely to be right

[Deskdiary]

Have you done the sums on 16,000 a month by any chance Bob?

If you have (and I doubt you have) you'd know you're are way off the mark.

[bobbinwales]

Yes. 500 a day is 15000 a month if it continues.. Current figures.
Your point is?

[Deskdiary]

Mate, give it up - you're looking foolish now.

[cashier]

No they don't say they are wrong, but they also don't say you're wrong just because you have a different opinion. You accuse anyone who doesn't share your opinion of being wrong or stupid/ignorant or worse.

[douglas9401]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregistrationsummarytables/2019

More than 44,000 per month sans covid.

It gets us all in the end, regardless of buffoonery and bluster.

[Deskdiary]

My point is, Bob, you’re predicting 192,000 deaths. On what evidence, or trend, or importantly, reality?

[Peter Pedant]

// The 'death within twenty-eight days of a Covid infection' is, in my view, seriously misleading.// the divine andy

o god we had all this in Mar-Apr 20 - so lets do it all again ! read nothing learnt nothing to paraphrase talleyrand.
NJ led the charge in the Good Old Days of "covid is flu relabelled and nothing more" (*) - a famous statistician spiegelhalter saying - "excess deaths what excess deaths I see no excess death ( ex - setera - pun intended)" whilst looking at the hump in the graphs.
So they agreed on the 'new' defn now complained about as a dissatisfactory compromise which - - led to an underestimate of numbers and not an overestimate which everyone said

and quite frankly we are stuck with it


much more courant is
why have they stopped dying?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03132-4#:~:text=In%20April%2C%20up%20to%2035,is%20around%2045%E2%80%9350%25.

(*) NJ I didnt say that ! - yeah yeah OK I am agreeable today