Nightingale Closures

[brainiac]

We're told that there are now more people in hospital with Covid-19 than at the peak in April, so why on earth are they dismantling the Nightingale hospitals that were created at great cost? If it's lack of staff (as is said), then why a lack of staff now, and not when they were created?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9095087/Londons-Nightingale-hospital-quietly-broken-arent-medics.html

[Zacs-Master]

Surely a vaccinator would be the equivalent of a WWII pilot in this ‘war’ with COVID?

[woofgang]

sorry ZM, in what way?

[minesapint]

Woofgang, let me see if I've got this right. You want doctors to come out of retirement and provide their services for the good of the public whilst controlled like children in a classroom as to what they can and can't do? Why not put a ball and chain around their ankles?

I'd suggest it would hardly inspire them to become vaccinators. These people will have worked for years in an unsupervised capacity making life and death decisions and you wish them
to be treated as supervised trainees?

I've got news for you. Despite your abhorrence over this suggestion, it has happened every week for years in almost all UK surgeries. It's called locum cover and entails a former GP joining a surgery on a temporary basis with virtually all the prescribing abilities of the GP partners in that surgery. The GP is entitled to work in any local practice in this capacity and the necessary re-registration is covered by the GMC as well a insurance. When they work as locums, hey presto, they are doctors again.

The ability to practice medicine never leaves them. The St John's Ambulance are currently running vaccination training courses for first aiders so they can be deployed on this huge vaccination programme. It's all hands to the pump woofgang and your contempt for retired doctors based upon your unwillingness to accept their ability is truly reprehensible.

[woofgang]

that's it. I am done.

[minesapint]

A pilot delivers a payload. A vaccinator delivers the equivalent ie the vaccine.

[bednobs]

but NJ - they DONT want people to have all that, and i think the doctor to whom you refer is either mistaken or lying. I just had a look on both returning to practice and covid vaccinator roles and none of them ask you for al that she was asked for

[New Judge]

//Surely a vaccinator would be the equivalent of a WWII pilot in this ‘war’ with COVID?//

Indeed Zacs. Three weeks training was provided to Spitfire pilots. Unfortunately many of them didn't last that long when they went operational but lots did and they were desperate measures necessary in desperate times. So are these.

[Zacs-Master]

All I’m saying is, doctors shouldn’t think of giving the COVID vaccine as a demeaning task. They should think of themeselves as the heros of the hour.

[New Judge]

//...but NJ - they DONT want people to have all that, and i think the doctor to whom you refer is either mistaken or lying.//

I've seen at least four letters in the press (different publications) from retired clinicians saying very much the same thing. Two of them I've reproduced. Why should they all lie?

I don't know how you've established what is and is not required. the application process for returning healthcare professionals require you to have an account. Maybe you have that - I don't know. But I'm also out now because I've said all I have to say.

[sanmac]

"On June 6th, 1944 many of our young men were cut down by enemy activity on the landing beaches. They were left behind as their buddies stormed ahead. There were many cries of "Hey, Medic, I need morphine!"; "Help, I need a transfusion!"; "Oh, Mother of God, Medic, I got a bullet in the gut!" The brave overworked Medics attempted to do their damndest to assist these victims and most of the injured were crying with relief whilst being attended to. However, quite bizarrely, a few of the wounded would demand: "Hold on there, buddy, before you even touch me let me see your paper-work and credentials!"

[woofgang]

https://vaccine-jobs.nhsp.uk/vaccinator.html

[Zacs-Master]

Not sure what you’re saying there, woof?

[bednobs]

well yes i do have an account :) being an ex nurse On the NHS professionals website the person spec for a covid vaccinator specifically references the following: Commitment and willingness to undertake learning and development courses as required to ensure competency for role, this will include vaccine training, administration training, basic life support and NHS statutory and mandatory training.
Note, not "must already have it" but "willingness to undertake".

To return as professional and THEN be a covid vaccinator (more money and the responsibility of supervising the non-professional covid vaccinators, ensuring the vaccination is handled correctly and reconstituted correctly) you need "Evidence of continuous personal and professional development and willingness to commit to ongoing CPD" I suspect the 4 doctors you've seen complaining about it wanted to do the latter, rather than the former, and would naturally need to prove the CPD. These people are going to b e in charge at the vaccination centres and i don't suppose anyone wants someone who's been away from practice for years to be in charge.

As previously mentioned, on the NHS jobs website, they are asking for members of the public who do not need to have previous experience (at a lesser houry rate of course)

[Zacs-Master]

Your Country Needs You!

They should do some posters.

[Peter Pedant]

god there is someone blaarting on the Beeb at this very moment
the usual mish mash of non sequiturs

these empty buildings.....
just lying there unused ......
put people in them !
no nurses or doctors or anything
well what about sick children then.....twice as many!
just do it!

moderator: well lets ask the Minister for Doing Nothing then ......

[woofgang]

ZM what i was saying(again) was that if you apply to be a vaccinator pure and simple you don't need to revalidate any previous professional qualification, you just apply as an unqualified person.

[Zacs-Master]

Oh, OK. Thanks for clarifying.

[woofgang]

I have just reread minsapint's post and had a good laugh so many thanks for that

[bobbinwales]

Yes Wolfgang minesapint must of been having a laugh as noone who can write so well can surely have completely misunderstood again everything you said so quickly. Or it could just be that some on here are so high on there horse they just dont read answers properly , knowing like some that there fans on here who hang onto there every word unthinkingly will lap there nonsense up .

[bobbinwales]

Sorry phone allways changes your woofgang to wolfgang