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Let's Hope Biden Brings This Barbarism To An End.
Mentally ill girl executed.
Denied spiritual adviser while dying.
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Interesting to see who Trump has pardoned:
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I’d rather we stopped using the phrase ‘state sanctioned murder’. If it’s state sanctioned, and therefore legal, it cannot be murder.
That said, despite the utter evilness of this woman’s crime (and I’m struggling to recall a more evil murder) objectively I’m steadfastly against any death penalty; as another poster has said, I feel a full life behind bars is much more of a punishment than the death penalty, but subjectively, if I was the family of this poor woman (the murdered woman, not the murderer who is garnering sympathy from the experts on this thread) I’d absolutely want revenge...and if people on this thread were honest with themselves, so would they.
That said, despite the utter evilness of this woman’s crime (and I’m struggling to recall a more evil murder) objectively I’m steadfastly against any death penalty; as another poster has said, I feel a full life behind bars is much more of a punishment than the death penalty, but subjectively, if I was the family of this poor woman (the murdered woman, not the murderer who is garnering sympathy from the experts on this thread) I’d absolutely want revenge...and if people on this thread were honest with themselves, so would they.
Deskdiary - // ... but subjectively, if I was the family of this poor woman (the murdered woman, not the murderer who is garnering sympathy from the experts on this thread) I’d absolutely want revenge...and if people on this thread were honest with themselves, so would they. //
First of all, I am not posing as an 'expert', nor am I trying to 'garner sympathy' - and of course, if I was a member of the victim's family, I would probably want revenge.
But I'm not, so wondering what I would feel is completely pointless in terms of making a point in a debate.
I could equally waste time by wondering how my life would have turned out if my movie star looks were Dan Stevens' and not Woody Allen's - but that would be pointless as well, so I won't bother wasting time pondering that either.
First of all, I am not posing as an 'expert', nor am I trying to 'garner sympathy' - and of course, if I was a member of the victim's family, I would probably want revenge.
But I'm not, so wondering what I would feel is completely pointless in terms of making a point in a debate.
I could equally waste time by wondering how my life would have turned out if my movie star looks were Dan Stevens' and not Woody Allen's - but that would be pointless as well, so I won't bother wasting time pondering that either.
Ok ellipses, let’s make it personal.
A close family member, your spouse, a sibling or, god forbid, your child is killed in an horrific way (and I’m struggling to think of anything more horrific than this murder) if you wouldn’t want revenge, painful revenge, then you are a very very better and forgiving person than me.
Objectively I can’t see the point of revenge, subjectively I absolutely can.
A close family member, your spouse, a sibling or, god forbid, your child is killed in an horrific way (and I’m struggling to think of anything more horrific than this murder) if you wouldn’t want revenge, painful revenge, then you are a very very better and forgiving person than me.
Objectively I can’t see the point of revenge, subjectively I absolutely can.
Deskdiary - // Ok ellipses, let’s make it personal.
A close family member, your spouse, a sibling or, god forbid, your child is killed in an horrific way (and I’m struggling to think of anything more horrific than this murder) if you wouldn’t want revenge, painful revenge, then you are a very very better and forgiving person than me.
Objectively I can’t see the point of revenge, subjectively I absolutely can. //
But that is entirely the point I made - there are very very few people who debate the rights and wrongs of capital punishment who have direct experience of violent death - we are all offering our views based entirely on what we think - we cannot base on them on what we might or might not feel, because we simply don't know, and guessing is jsut that - guessing, it's not debate.
A close family member, your spouse, a sibling or, god forbid, your child is killed in an horrific way (and I’m struggling to think of anything more horrific than this murder) if you wouldn’t want revenge, painful revenge, then you are a very very better and forgiving person than me.
Objectively I can’t see the point of revenge, subjectively I absolutely can. //
But that is entirely the point I made - there are very very few people who debate the rights and wrongs of capital punishment who have direct experience of violent death - we are all offering our views based entirely on what we think - we cannot base on them on what we might or might not feel, because we simply don't know, and guessing is jsut that - guessing, it's not debate.
fcc - // ... problem is people don't choose to be murdered. //
No they don't, but the state does choose to execute them in a far more drawn-out inhumane and frankly barbaric ritual, certainly as far as lethal injection goes.
It can only be revenge, it clearly is not a deterrent, and it's not a punishment, so other than revenge, there is no discernable motive for doing it.
No they don't, but the state does choose to execute them in a far more drawn-out inhumane and frankly barbaric ritual, certainly as far as lethal injection goes.
It can only be revenge, it clearly is not a deterrent, and it's not a punishment, so other than revenge, there is no discernable motive for doing it.
I don't believe in torture which is what a lot of people seem to be advocating. 'Lock them up and throw away the key 'or
' keep them in prison and let them rot'.
Surely that is a far worse punishment than giving them an injection. They are in prison because they have murdered an innocent person. Execution is ending a guilty person's life. I would bet that if they were given a choice some of the prisoners on Death Row would choose the injection. I prefer to use the word justice rather than revenge.
' keep them in prison and let them rot'.
Surely that is a far worse punishment than giving them an injection. They are in prison because they have murdered an innocent person. Execution is ending a guilty person's life. I would bet that if they were given a choice some of the prisoners on Death Row would choose the injection. I prefer to use the word justice rather than revenge.
fcc - // What's wrong with the state getting revenge for the murdered person? //
What's wrong is that the state denies that that is actually what it is doing.
i could respect advocates of capital punishment more if they admitted the base need for revenge that powers their view, rather than pretending some lofty piffle about 'deterrent' or just referring to it as 'justice' which is simply 'revenge' in a prettier dress.
What's wrong is that the state denies that that is actually what it is doing.
i could respect advocates of capital punishment more if they admitted the base need for revenge that powers their view, rather than pretending some lofty piffle about 'deterrent' or just referring to it as 'justice' which is simply 'revenge' in a prettier dress.
andres - // I would bet that if they were given a choice some of the prisoners on Death Row would choose the injection. I prefer to use the word justice rather than revenge. //
Then how do you account for the decades-long appeal process that virtually all death row inmates engage in - they could be executed next week if the elected not to appeal - so clearly they have a vested interest in the hope of freedom, and prolonged life while they try and obtain it.
Then how do you account for the decades-long appeal process that virtually all death row inmates engage in - they could be executed next week if the elected not to appeal - so clearly they have a vested interest in the hope of freedom, and prolonged life while they try and obtain it.
andres - // ^^^I will clarify what I wrote. If faced with the choice of spending the rest of their life in prison or having the injection then I would bet that some of them would choose the latter. //
That doesn't clarify what you said, it merely says it again.
My response therefore also remains the same.
That doesn't clarify what you said, it merely says it again.
My response therefore also remains the same.
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