Illegal "Referendum"?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9179599/SNP-tells-Boris-Johnson-hell-need-LEGAL-action-wants-stop-second-independence-vote.html
Why is the SNP wasting effort and resources on pursuing an illegal "referendum" when they should be fighting the war on COVID-19 with the rest of the UK?

[Quizmonster]

I have been unable to get back today to this question until now and have no intention of trying to take it any further. I'll just make one last desperate plea for an answer to the question I asked twice earlier in the thread.
It is a certainty that, in 2014, neither Salmond nor Sturgeon 'promised', 'pledged' or 'vowed' that they would not raise the matter of another referendum on independence for the next 25 (generation)or 75 (lifetime) years.
So, here's the question:
"Where do people who use these 'guarantee-type' words mentioned above get the absurd idea that they did?

[ynnafymmi]

Keep up the good work,Quizzy.By the way are you a Salmondite or a Sturgeonite?What side are you gunning for in the on-going SNP civil war?

[New Judge]

Does everybody in Scotland support the SNP?

[Jackdaw33]

Clearly not, NJ.

[davebro]

"Does everybody in Scotland support the SNP?"

Not in their quest for independence from the UK, but are quite happy to vote them in at Westminster to screw the English taxpayer.

[Mozz71]

Does everybody need to be NJ?

[ToraToraTora]

they have no power in Westminster, how do they "screw" the English tax payer? It's the Barnett formula that does that. Neither will be available after "independence".

[TrevorThePug]

Over 64% of Scots currently want to break away, that doesn't mean they all support the SNP.

Probably just dislike Brexit and this government moreso.

[davebro]

BF - "a short-term solution to minor Cabinet disputes in the run up to planned political devolution in 1979."

Dream on.

[Deskdiary]

Even Joel Barnett said that his formula was a mistake.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11100400/My-funding-formula-for-Scotland-is-a-terrible-mistake-Lord-Barnett-admits.html

[Quizmonster]

And still nobody has answered my oft-repeated question. If you'd like to, you can see it yet again above @ 21.20 on Wednesday.

I don't "gun for sides", yn, particularly not when the matter is one of legality...who said what, when and to whom etc. That's because I wasn't there! I'm perfectly happy to leave that to the Scottish legal system, whatever the outcome.
What I am in favour of is Scottish independence and I'm pretty certain both protagonists in the current SNP kerfuffle still support that! There is no need to tell me that, if one is a member of a union of some sort, one cannot be independent. It's nonense.
I've never understood why (basically English) Brexiteers seem to have fully grasped the desire for getting out from under a larger entity (the EU), yet they fail utterly to see why many people in Scotland might like to do the same; namely from another larger entity (England/Westminster).

[ynnafymmi]

@09.55.Just been reading the Guardian.Support for Brexit in Scotland.29% of SNP voters voted for Brexit.27% of Tory voters voted for Brexit.19% of Labour voters voted for Brexit.Back to you old boy(girl).

[THECORBYLOON]

Of those who voted in Scotland in the Brexit referendum, 38% voted to remain. That percentage is a lot higher than any of the figures you quoted so that suggests something must be wrong with them.

[THECORBYLOON]

That should have been 38% voted to leave.

[davebro]

"I've never understood why (basically English) Brexiteers seem to have fully grasped the desire for getting out from under a larger entity (the EU), yet they fail utterly to see why many people in Scotland might like to do the same; namely from another larger entity"

Because Brexit was seen as a way to exit a growing movement to political & financial union that the people never signed up to and didn't want.
The UK has been established and stable for 100s of years - its first king was Scottish. If the Scots want to leave after all this time it's fine, but be careful what you wish for.

[ynnafymmi]

The last quoted figures i saw regarding the Brexit referendum was that 300,000 SNP supporters voted for Brexit.Still a substantial percentage of the vote for Brexit among the ScotsNats,surely.

[ToraToraTora]

QM: "I've never understood why (basically English) Brexiteers seem to have fully grasped the desire for getting out from under a larger entity (the EU), yet they fail utterly to see why many people in Scotland might like to do the same; namely from another larger entity (England/Westminster)" - aside from a smaller entity leaving a bigger entity, the two situations are not analogous. The UK has been thus since 1707, the UK never joined the EUSSR, we joined a trading bloc and many including me would be happy with that, we did not vote for federalisation and the inexorable march to the USE. We did not vote for a dictatorship and last Friday demonstrated the danger of that. The UK was given a vote in 2016 and took the chance to leave.Scotland had theres in 2014. If Scotland want to leave the union, fine, but I don't think they have thought it through economically. if they are permitted entry to the EUSSR it'll be on such punitive terms that they will look back on the now hated UK and wish they'd never left. The EUSSR will force them to build a border and whilst that is happening anyone who can earn a shilling will be moving to England. The blue woad brigade can then huddle around there 1 bar electric fire and rejoice at seeing off those English Bar stewards. I will be sad to see a border on our Island but if you are determined that is what you want then good luck.

[Jackdaw33]

As I suggested earlier, La Sturgeon's immediate problem will be how to prevent the 'brain drain' by those fleeing to England to avoid the punitive taxation in Scotland which must inevitably occur once they can no longer rely on English gold.

[naomi24]

Nicola is obsessed … and since in the current crisis that obsession shows no signs of abating, it seems quite unhealthily so. Maybe she sees herself as a modern day William Wallace - or future queen perhaps… who knows? That said, the Scottish Independence referendum took place before Brexit was more than a twinkle in Nigel’s eye, and therefore the goal posts could be said to have moved. On the understanding that should the result of another referendum lead to Scotland’s departure from the UK, it will get no support whatsoever from the rest of us, the good people of that fine country should be given a second opportunity to have their say.

[NickorWan]

Brexit could be a double-edged sword for the independence movement. On the one hand, it will no doubt put more of the electorate in favour of independence. On the other hand, Scotland might find it harder to join the EU than it would have been to persuade the EU not to kick them out, and Scotland needs a cash cow.