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Mother = Birthing parent! Breast feeding = Chest feeding! For gawds sake how far are we expected to go to accommodate these people?
Mother = Birthing parent! Breast feeding = Chest feeding! For gawds sake how far are we expected to go to accommodate these people?
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Non-invasive.... to themselves. Not to women though. There is no need though- humans can tell by faces what sex somebody is. Otherwise, we would all be permanently going on accidental gay/straight dates, because we didn't know. We can see.
If in real doubt, a DNA test, I guess.... but I've not met anyone i can't tell on sight.
If in real doubt, a DNA test, I guess.... but I've not met anyone i can't tell on sight.
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Everyone can see. It isn't conceit, it's nature, evolution. I'm disregarding those who have had cosmetic operations, because sometimes it is obvious, but I wouldn't necessarily swear to it. And it doesn't matter, the risk is the same.
And no, outward presentation is gender. DNA is sex. Genitals.... usually match with sex, but can be misleading with intersex people (and I'm not referring to them).
And no, outward presentation is gender. DNA is sex. Genitals.... usually match with sex, but can be misleading with intersex people (and I'm not referring to them).
// I'm disregarding those who have had cosmetic operations... //
Well, it's easy to claim that you can always tell if you exclude all the times you wouldn't have been able to tell.
"the risk is the same".
The risk is tiny, and isn't enough to justify exclusion. Maybe there is a case for reviewing how we organise public lavatories and public changing rooms, but the case is certainly *not* based on the risk that trans people may be sexual predators in disguise.
Well, it's easy to claim that you can always tell if you exclude all the times you wouldn't have been able to tell.
"the risk is the same".
The risk is tiny, and isn't enough to justify exclusion. Maybe there is a case for reviewing how we organise public lavatories and public changing rooms, but the case is certainly *not* based on the risk that trans people may be sexual predators in disguise.
Jim, the risk is the same, whether they are men or transgender males. That's what I meant. And if the stats are enough to allow women their own spaces. Then, nothing has changed.
I didn't say that either.... have you seen a convincing "m-f" transition? And more to the point, why are they wanting female spaces?
The biggest problem is, that over 98% of men are not actually having any physical treatment. And I am talking about transgender, rather than transexual (same thing in the end, but easier to prove there is some genuineness there).
I didn't say that either.... have you seen a convincing "m-f" transition? And more to the point, why are they wanting female spaces?
The biggest problem is, that over 98% of men are not actually having any physical treatment. And I am talking about transgender, rather than transexual (same thing in the end, but easier to prove there is some genuineness there).
This is the sort of person that this language is designed for ...
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When reading, you might consider, if you were Freddy McConnell's mother or father, whether you would have behaved any differently than they did.
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When reading, you might consider, if you were Freddy McConnell's mother or father, whether you would have behaved any differently than they did.
// ... have you seen a convincing "m-f" transition? //
Yes, several times. Although, it should be said, the point of surgical transition isn't necessarily to convince others, but to be comfortable in yourself, so in that sense it shouldn't matter whether it is "convincing" or not.
I'd also like to point out that there is at least one documented case I'm aware of on AB of a transvestite being confused for their mother/wife/sister, etc, and he hadn't even gone through surgery or hormone therapy.
Your claim of "always being able to tell" is far too bold when it's demonstrably wrong.
Yes, several times. Although, it should be said, the point of surgical transition isn't necessarily to convince others, but to be comfortable in yourself, so in that sense it shouldn't matter whether it is "convincing" or not.
I'd also like to point out that there is at least one documented case I'm aware of on AB of a transvestite being confused for their mother/wife/sister, etc, and he hadn't even gone through surgery or hormone therapy.
Your claim of "always being able to tell" is far too bold when it's demonstrably wrong.
Leaving the claptrap aside, just about every woman I know would not welcome the presence of men in ladies' toilets whilst they are powdering their noses. Toilets should be segregated by sex then none of this confusion would arise. It would also not need a nineteen page document compiled by people who should have better things to do, to define what labels to put on which door.
14:37, ellipsis, that example shows she was correct in the first place. A woman, born a woman, decides to transition to a man and then has the instinct to want to have a baby?? I'd say she was in the correct body to start with. If we play along with this wokery then there are men in women's bodies and women in men's bodies, right? so which one is this?
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