Is The Proposed 1% Rise For Nhs Workers Fair?

[dave50]

Considering what's been going on over the past year, the billions spent supporting the economy and the number of unemployed going through the roof when furlough ends, I think it is. The public sector as usual has been protected from harsh economic reality so none of them can hardly complain. Also there's the usual gushing and worship of the NHS which is used by vested interests to cloud the issue with emotion.

[cashier]

The NHS has had an extra 6billion this year. Nurses have been doing their job the same as all others who have been working. Doctors had a hefty pay rise last year and at least £10 for every vaccination they administer. 1% is more than a lot will get.

[New Judge]

Your tax code will have increased by 7 because of the increase in Personal Allowance, Danny (from £12,500 to £12,570). It will have decreased to accommodate any increased untaxed income you will have (usually State Pension). Yours seems to have changed by 40 (477 to 437) indicating they believe you will have an increase of £470 to your untaxed income. If that’s correct your code is correct.

[Togo]

Jay Rayner, food critic, wants his cake and eat it. Surprise, surprise. Claire Rayner his mammy was an expert on cystisis and his long suffering pa Desmond(if ever a name told you all) was an actor and painter(pretended to paint) which made poppinJay the self centred know all that he is. Beware the Cloward Piven strategists. When they all resign in protest there will be millions of people willing to take their places when furlough ends. Or the loans dry up.

[bednobs]

what?

[Ellipsis]

The point, bobb, is that the NHS is there as a political tool. Happy to use them to win the Brexit debate, happy to bathe in their reflected glory as they battle Covid ... but actually pay them even an inflationary pay rise? Forget it.

[New Judge]

//...but actually pay them even an inflationary pay rise? Forget it.//

The current rate of inflation is 0.8%

Nurses have received average pay increases of around 12% over the past three years.

[Peter Pedant]

// I suspect they've earned a few bob in overtime in the last year, so their "extra efforts" haven't been completely unrewarded.//

erm you cant go back without rejoining the NHS pension scheme and that MAY take you over the 55% tax scheme on your pension pot that is! - and it isnt 55% of eek, it triggers a 55% shave of ..... everything

[Canary42]

https://ibb.co/PgL60gy

[bobbinwales]

So your figures are out of date deliberately canary to include the last 3 year increase. Nurses and mps payis set by review bodies.

[bobbinwales]

^ sorry, meant to Not include the last 3 year increase

[lucy77666]

fsdfsd

[royfromaus]

That's a great start, Lucy.

[Bazile]

What rise will our hard working MPs be getting ?

[TonyV]

Think they vote on pay rise

[woofgang]

cashier, payment for vaccination only goes to GP's who are not NHS employees, they are contractors. The money they get paid for mass vaccination covers the extra costs involved in setting up the system to do it.

[jourdain2]

1% doesn't sound much, I agree - but it is above inflation and other public sector workers are not getting any rise at all -- which equals a pay cut. I'm probably repeating what others have said earlier. Nurses are pretty well-paid these days, on the whole. Don't know about these new grades of assistants. I understand the yells of pain - but when they stop and think I hope they'll realise that they are the only public sector not getting a pay cut; everyone else is also getting a pay cut (including pensioners) eventually and the luxury of the hand-outs to help with the Covid situation has to be paid for. Hope they calm down and start thinking in context.

[Khandro]

They have secure employment - in a job nobody asked them to do - & have a state pension scheme, all looking very desirable to many people at this moment.
It was a mistake to offer anything at all.

[Ellipsis]

The inflationary comment was to do with the decline of NHS salaries versus inflation over the last 10 or 11 years. See

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/chart-of-the-week-nhs-staff-pay-and-the-cost-of-living

Sure the rate of inflation is 0.9% right now. But we've been in lockdown for most of the last year that that number is based on! Except the NHS of course. Its staff has still been incurring all the costs of going to work every day. No lockdown there.

And inflation in the next year will not be 1%. How much do you expect a holiday in August 2021 to cost ... 1% more than in August 2020?

[Theland]

MP's should have their pay linked the broad average of all public sector workers.

[Deskdiary]

Marvellous - when talking about NHS salaries, with boring regularity the salaries of MPs is trotted out; I was waiting for it, so am not disappointed, I’m just surprised it took so long.

For a start, MPs don’t decide on their salary, an independent body does, secondly, they’re not that well paid, thirdly, comparing the salary rises of 650 odd people to 1.3m people is just too stupid for words.

1.3m is the total NHS workforce, but I’m assuming those that want them to be paid more are just referring to the ‘angels’ and ‘heroes’ rather than the bog cleaners and the managers. Funny that.

1% is fair. A demand for 12.5%, when the economy is fubarred, businesses has collapsed and people have lost their jobs, is downright offensive, and puts them in the category of chancers rather than ‘heroes’.