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naomi - // Atheist, //I think the ones [Muslims] who go out to kill and be killed are motivated by religious belief. //
They are. //
if you could give me the details of your Mind Reading Of Thousands Of Complete Strangers From Thousands Of Miles Away' course, I'd love to enrol.
Unless of course you want to concede a more realistic position - that you believe that terrorists think of themselves of Muslims, but you have absolutely no idea how true your belief is, so you shouldn't be presenting it as though it is a proven fact.
They are. //
if you could give me the details of your Mind Reading Of Thousands Of Complete Strangers From Thousands Of Miles Away' course, I'd love to enrol.
Unless of course you want to concede a more realistic position - that you believe that terrorists think of themselves of Muslims, but you have absolutely no idea how true your belief is, so you shouldn't be presenting it as though it is a proven fact.
22:40 naomi, i haven't denied what is being done. The difference is, I called them terrorists, you call them muslims. You even admitted earlier yourself, that individuals are the problem, and that you weren't killing anyone from seeing a cartoon. And that goes for the vast majority of Muslims as well. The minority of violent people will always find an excuse.
AH, Fact? You mean like the way you presented this statement?
//terrorists are not Muslims, they are psychopaths who like to use the pretence of devout Muslim beliefs as an excuse for their actions//
I suggest you go back to the drawing board and try again.
Pixie, //Suggesting seeing or reading something causes a reasonable response of mass murder... is bizarre.//
Nothing bizarre about it. Islam is what it is.
//terrorists are not Muslims, they are psychopaths who like to use the pretence of devout Muslim beliefs as an excuse for their actions//
I suggest you go back to the drawing board and try again.
Pixie, //Suggesting seeing or reading something causes a reasonable response of mass murder... is bizarre.//
Nothing bizarre about it. Islam is what it is.
naomi - // Nothing bizarre about it. Islam is what it is. //
I am surprised at you coming out with such a meaningless throw-away statement.
Everything and anything 'is what it is' - from cheese to Scientology.
I suspect this is a metaphorical shrug of the shoulders and a 'What can you do? They're all the same ..." attitude which is feankly well beneath your usual debating standards.
I can, and do disagree with you when you argue your point - but this was not doing that.
Back to that drawing board!!!
I am surprised at you coming out with such a meaningless throw-away statement.
Everything and anything 'is what it is' - from cheese to Scientology.
I suspect this is a metaphorical shrug of the shoulders and a 'What can you do? They're all the same ..." attitude which is feankly well beneath your usual debating standards.
I can, and do disagree with you when you argue your point - but this was not doing that.
Back to that drawing board!!!
naomi - // Islam is the problem - and that I have never denied. //
You won;t be at all surprised to know that I disagree with that observation.
It's possible to argue that religion is the problem - because most of them are the root of dreadful behaviour somewhere in their history.
But to simply assume that everyone with one faith is to blame for the actions of a tiny minority is lazy thinking, and it does not stand up to even basic scrutiny.
As pixie has advised, no individual faith is the problem, the willingness to twist its interpretations to fit psychopathic behaviour is the problem, and that is not restricted to Islam by any means, as history shows.
You won;t be at all surprised to know that I disagree with that observation.
It's possible to argue that religion is the problem - because most of them are the root of dreadful behaviour somewhere in their history.
But to simply assume that everyone with one faith is to blame for the actions of a tiny minority is lazy thinking, and it does not stand up to even basic scrutiny.
As pixie has advised, no individual faith is the problem, the willingness to twist its interpretations to fit psychopathic behaviour is the problem, and that is not restricted to Islam by any means, as history shows.
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