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Pixie, I'm waiting for you to explain why the overwhelming majority of terrorists by a very long way acting in the name of religion are Islamists.
Best you ditch your psychology course, Pixie - it's clouding your judgement - and have a serious and rational think about attempting to answer my question. I'm going to bed now - but I'll look for your answer tomorrow. Night night.
Best you ditch your psychology course, Pixie - it's clouding your judgement - and have a serious and rational think about attempting to answer my question. I'm going to bed now - but I'll look for your answer tomorrow. Night night.
I'm not on a psychology course... as I said, your attempts at insults are pointless. Try some answers.
If you seriously believe you are right, why not show it....
What percentage of people who have read the Koran and "associated literature" go on to murder people?
To be extra generous, go with Muslims who live by it, to make it easier. And we can compare that with standard murder rates. Just to see how much Islam is actually the problem.
Interesting you are now using the word terrorists, slippy-slidey as ever :-)
If you seriously believe you are right, why not show it....
What percentage of people who have read the Koran and "associated literature" go on to murder people?
To be extra generous, go with Muslims who live by it, to make it easier. And we can compare that with standard murder rates. Just to see how much Islam is actually the problem.
Interesting you are now using the word terrorists, slippy-slidey as ever :-)
pixie; //You seem to be suggesting that if people are prone to violence, they should be treated more sensitively?//
What I'm suggesting is that if you show the proverbial red rag to a bull & he charges & gores you, who's to blame, you or the bull?
The quandry is (& I admit I've changed my mind on this more than once).
Is 'freedom of expression' an absolute right that anyone can claim, when they draw, rap, teach, or publish in its name ?
What I'm suggesting is that if you show the proverbial red rag to a bull & he charges & gores you, who's to blame, you or the bull?
The quandry is (& I admit I've changed my mind on this more than once).
Is 'freedom of expression' an absolute right that anyone can claim, when they draw, rap, teach, or publish in its name ?
Just as well I retired for the night rather than wait for an answer from you, Pixie. I somehow knew one wouldn’t be forthcoming.
I use the word terrorists because they are terrorists. Nothing slippy-slidey - or particularly interesting - about that.
If you want to compare standard murder rates with murders committed by Muslim extremists you will need to seek a common factor - and it isn’t that fact that the perpetrators are generally men as is your usual wonky reasoning. Good luck.
Khandro, //What I'm suggesting is that if you show the proverbial red rag to a bull & he charges & gores you, who's to blame, you or the bull?//
You - for allowing him the freedom to attack you.
People must be allowed freedom of expression but by the same token they must be allowed to voice objection. Running away merely serves to encourage the control freak.
I use the word terrorists because they are terrorists. Nothing slippy-slidey - or particularly interesting - about that.
If you want to compare standard murder rates with murders committed by Muslim extremists you will need to seek a common factor - and it isn’t that fact that the perpetrators are generally men as is your usual wonky reasoning. Good luck.
Khandro, //What I'm suggesting is that if you show the proverbial red rag to a bull & he charges & gores you, who's to blame, you or the bull?//
You - for allowing him the freedom to attack you.
People must be allowed freedom of expression but by the same token they must be allowed to voice objection. Running away merely serves to encourage the control freak.
Khandro, that's a really bad analogy. A bull is an animal and will not understand its own instinctive responses and behaviour or the consequences. To think that's an acceptable equivalent to showing a cartoon to adult humans, just doesn't work.
Naomi, I haven't said I have answers, men or otherwise... I'm asking about your claim that the problem is "islam"- although to be fair, you have now conceded "terrorists" is the right word. So I guess we are agreeing now.
Naomi, I haven't said I have answers, men or otherwise... I'm asking about your claim that the problem is "islam"- although to be fair, you have now conceded "terrorists" is the right word. So I guess we are agreeing now.
Pixie, I said you need to seek a common factor. If you want to find the answer try doing that. Try comparing acts of murder committed in the name of religion by members of other religions to those committed by Muslims in the name of their religion. And yes, you’ve said, several times, that you know the answer. According to you they murder because they’re men - which is abject nonsense.
Incidentally, I’ve conceded nothing. I’ve never thought them anything other than terrorists.
Incidentally, I’ve conceded nothing. I’ve never thought them anything other than terrorists.
//According to you they murder because they’re men - which is abject nonsense.//
It certainly is. Making things up and pretending I think them, just makes you look confused.
You don't need a "common factor" to start with, when that is what you are trying to find out. That makes no sense.
You seem sure enough, that I'm presuming you have the facts, figures and statistics, but seem unwilling to post them. And maybe they would easily prove you right.
What percentage of Muslims commit murder?
What percentage of the general population commit murder?
If Muslims are hugely more prone to violence, it will be easy to tell.
It certainly is. Making things up and pretending I think them, just makes you look confused.
You don't need a "common factor" to start with, when that is what you are trying to find out. That makes no sense.
You seem sure enough, that I'm presuming you have the facts, figures and statistics, but seem unwilling to post them. And maybe they would easily prove you right.
What percentage of Muslims commit murder?
What percentage of the general population commit murder?
If Muslims are hugely more prone to violence, it will be easy to tell.
Yes, Pixie, you have claimed they do it because they’re men - several times. I don’t make things up.
Why compare ‘the general population’ to one section of society? Why not compare one religious group to another? That would be the rational way tp ascertain whether or not members of one religion are killing more than the rest.
Why compare ‘the general population’ to one section of society? Why not compare one religious group to another? That would be the rational way tp ascertain whether or not members of one religion are killing more than the rest.
You do, because you have. I have never said that. I may have said the biggest risk factor is men, because it is. If people killed "because they are men", they would all be doing it. I hope that clears that up for you.
And no, that isn't what I'm asking. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you are suggesting that "islam" encourages people to be more violent. That by itself, is very easy to prove, just by showing they are more violent than the general population. Even then, there will be a lot more factors than just their religion.
I honestly don't know why you are unwilling just to show us the statistics, that you must have learnt on your Theology course...
But this insistence you are right about the reasons, while refusing to actually post any facts- is a bit like having a conversation with Theland :-)
And no, that isn't what I'm asking. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you are suggesting that "islam" encourages people to be more violent. That by itself, is very easy to prove, just by showing they are more violent than the general population. Even then, there will be a lot more factors than just their religion.
I honestly don't know why you are unwilling just to show us the statistics, that you must have learnt on your Theology course...
But this insistence you are right about the reasons, while refusing to actually post any facts- is a bit like having a conversation with Theland :-)
Exactly mozz. Naomi, you seem to be suggesting now that if Islam is the problem, they would all be doing it. Entirely irrational.
Again, please just post the stats- and you can easily prove us wrong.
When you prove it by the official statistics, I will certainly acknowledge it. Until then, "your word" isn't cutting it.
Again, please just post the stats- and you can easily prove us wrong.
When you prove it by the official statistics, I will certainly acknowledge it. Until then, "your word" isn't cutting it.
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