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How many Abers really think that the UK will be unlocked on 21st of june
I think No. Anyone agree with me .
I think No. Anyone agree with me .
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//NJ. the problem is that this germ keeps mutating and, until someone actually gets infected by it , no one can know what its effects might be.//
That's very true (and very speculative) Danny. So what would you propose? And assuming that means continued restrictions, what would you want to see before they end? And how would you handle the continued, largely unnecessary damage being inflicted on the health service, the economy, people's wellbeing and children's education in order to mitigate a disease that is currently accounting for less than 0.5% of daily deaths?
That's very true (and very speculative) Danny. So what would you propose? And assuming that means continued restrictions, what would you want to see before they end? And how would you handle the continued, largely unnecessary damage being inflicted on the health service, the economy, people's wellbeing and children's education in order to mitigate a disease that is currently accounting for less than 0.5% of daily deaths?
It is 50/50 to what Boris does. I think there are more advantages to opening up than staying locked down. The vaccinations have been the game changer and even if the virus cases increase it is now less deadly and hospitalisations are right down. Businesses are in a bad way and now is the time to think of them and open up and everyone just to be careful.
//////that is currently accounting for less than 0.5% of daily deaths?///
Currently..currently and that is the key word NJ and if vaccinations go well, the public remains sensible regarding social spacing and the virus plays ball, then you have me all the way NJ.
If either of the above conditions are flawed, then you could see hundreds dying daily again.
Things look good so far but the next 3 weeks will give us a proper look into that crystal ball.
Currently..currently and that is the key word NJ and if vaccinations go well, the public remains sensible regarding social spacing and the virus plays ball, then you have me all the way NJ.
If either of the above conditions are flawed, then you could see hundreds dying daily again.
Things look good so far but the next 3 weeks will give us a proper look into that crystal ball.
// People in 1348 and 1349 had it much worse//
um there was no lock down according to contemporary records which are sketchy
//NJ. the problem is that this germ keeps mutating . That's very true (and very speculative) Danny.//
um -( honestly I just shouldnt read this stuff) it isnt speculative - it is inductive and draws conclusions from what has gone before (*) - big thing about British science since the C18.
and if the virus oops germ is a-manging and a-changing in Nepal without vaccine pressure - it heralds trouble for us all.
quite nice Glenda Sligg style there
(*) what makes you think you can draw conclusions from facts - Humes great refutation of induction 1795
um there was no lock down according to contemporary records which are sketchy
//NJ. the problem is that this germ keeps mutating . That's very true (and very speculative) Danny.//
um -( honestly I just shouldnt read this stuff) it isnt speculative - it is inductive and draws conclusions from what has gone before (*) - big thing about British science since the C18.
and if the virus oops germ is a-manging and a-changing in Nepal without vaccine pressure - it heralds trouble for us all.
quite nice Glenda Sligg style there
(*) what makes you think you can draw conclusions from facts - Humes great refutation of induction 1795
//Cases tripled therefore R greater than 1//
And what problems does that present if people contracting the virus do not become seriously ill, Peter? Infection numbers are meaningless unless you consider what results from the infections.
//What more is there to actually unlock?//
where to begin (and the question demonstrates spectacular lack of understanding):
- Most hospitality venues are operating at 30% to 50% capacity and many are struggling to survive.
- Overseas travel advice and legislation is a complete dog's breakfast and the travel industry is on its knees.
- Many companies are still operating a "working from home" policy (as mandated by the government). This is causing massive loss of efficiency resulting in shoddy service to customers (tried contacting any commercial outfits lately?). It is also causing massive loss of trade in town and city centre hospitality and retail.
- GPs are hiding away from their patients.
- Although you may not mind wearing masks many do and it dissuades them from venturing out to shops, with the resultant loss of trade.
I could go on but perhaps that will do for starters.
And what problems does that present if people contracting the virus do not become seriously ill, Peter? Infection numbers are meaningless unless you consider what results from the infections.
//What more is there to actually unlock?//
where to begin (and the question demonstrates spectacular lack of understanding):
- Most hospitality venues are operating at 30% to 50% capacity and many are struggling to survive.
- Overseas travel advice and legislation is a complete dog's breakfast and the travel industry is on its knees.
- Many companies are still operating a "working from home" policy (as mandated by the government). This is causing massive loss of efficiency resulting in shoddy service to customers (tried contacting any commercial outfits lately?). It is also causing massive loss of trade in town and city centre hospitality and retail.
- GPs are hiding away from their patients.
- Although you may not mind wearing masks many do and it dissuades them from venturing out to shops, with the resultant loss of trade.
I could go on but perhaps that will do for starters.
There are still a couple of weeks to go before a decision has to be made, and plenty of time for data to point one way or another. It's noticeable that hospitalisation rates have just started to creep upwards, but are still very low (less than one thousand across the country). If that shows signs of doubling every week or so, then maybe the Government would have to respond, but at the moment the growth seems to slow for them to want to change plans. I'm hopeful that'll be the same picture in two weeks' time.
// - Although you may not mind wearing masks many do and it dissuades them from venturing out to shops, with the resultant loss of trade. //
whatever else may - or may not - happen on the 21st, removing the mask mandate won't be one of them. apparently 70% of the population support continued mask wearing, so it's likely we'll be wearing face nappies into 2022, maybe longer, maybe forever.
whatever else may - or may not - happen on the 21st, removing the mask mandate won't be one of them. apparently 70% of the population support continued mask wearing, so it's likely we'll be wearing face nappies into 2022, maybe longer, maybe forever.
